Comments on: Carl Pavano & Tommy Hunter have the longest active win streaks in baseball http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34641 Andy Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:15:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34641 What do you mean? Pavano's Yankee career lasted about 6 games too :) What do you mean? Pavano's Yankee career lasted about 6 games too :)

]]> By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34638 Tmckelv Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:13:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34638 Carl Pavano is another story. Carl Pavano is another story.

]]> By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34637 Tmckelv Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:12:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34637 Hey nice shout out for the "Yankee Clippard". That nick name did not last long (only 6 games). I liked him when he was on the Yanks, nice to see him pitching well. Hey nice shout out for the "Yankee Clippard". That nick name did not last long (only 6 games).

I liked him when he was on the Yanks, nice to see him pitching well.

]]> By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34623 Basmati Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:38:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34623 Thanks Dillon, this is where it gets complicated - Arroyo has made 157 starts for Cincy 2006-present but his last appearance for Boston in 2005 came in relief. Zito is amazing though - it doesn't look like he's ever missed a start in his whole career. He came up with Oakland 22nd July 2000 and has made 341 starts ranging from 32-35 every year. Bizarrely he made one relief appearance in 2007 on August 5th but started August 2nd and August 7th so didn't miss a start. I guess you can never know for sure though - in 2008 Zito made 32 starts. He started game 26 for the Giants and then next started game 34. So he was pushed back a few days, which you could technically say means he missed a scheduled start. Maybe he had a minor injury or something. I'm still amazed that Zito has such an impressive run. I looked at the active leaders for games started and looked for anyone who seemed they might have a similar record. Livan Hernandez has made 416 starts since the start of 1998 which I guess shows where his value lies. Mark Buerhle has started 319 games since the start of the 2001 season and CC Sabathia has 310 starts in the same time so they're about one season behind Zito. Jon Garland hasn't made less than 32 starts since the start of 2002 (280 total). Felix Hernandez has 160 starts in just under 5 years. So I guess Haren has a way to go yet. Lets hope he gets out there on Saturday. Thanks Dillon, this is where it gets complicated - Arroyo has made 157 starts for Cincy 2006-present but his last appearance for Boston in 2005 came in relief.

Zito is amazing though - it doesn't look like he's ever missed a start in his whole career. He came up with Oakland 22nd July 2000 and has made 341 starts ranging from 32-35 every year. Bizarrely he made one relief appearance in 2007 on August 5th but started August 2nd and August 7th so didn't miss a start.

I guess you can never know for sure though - in 2008 Zito made 32 starts. He started game 26 for the Giants and then next started game 34. So he was pushed back a few days, which you could technically say means he missed a scheduled start. Maybe he had a minor injury or something.

I'm still amazed that Zito has such an impressive run. I looked at the active leaders for games started and looked for anyone who seemed they might have a similar record. Livan Hernandez has made 416 starts since the start of 1998 which I guess shows where his value lies. Mark Buerhle has started 319 games since the start of the 2001 season and CC Sabathia has 310 starts in the same time so they're about one season behind Zito. Jon Garland hasn't made less than 32 starts since the start of 2002 (280 total). Felix Hernandez has 160 starts in just under 5 years.

So I guess Haren has a way to go yet. Lets hope he gets out there on Saturday.

]]> By: Dave http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34580 Dave Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:15:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34580 there should be a "most current" or "currently active" streak option. Even though it might be "end" it could still be active (such as if a team gets something unusual and they last did it in 1997 but it's still active...) there should be a "most current" or "currently active" streak option.
Even though it might be "end" it could still be active (such as if a team gets something unusual and they last did it in 1997 but it's still active...)

]]> By: Dillon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34477 Dillon Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:35:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34477 Basmati- Hard to run that kind of search. I think Bronson Arroyo and Barry Zito might have Haren beat, take a look at their game logs. Basmati-

Hard to run that kind of search. I think Bronson Arroyo and Barry Zito might have Haren beat, take a look at their game logs.

]]> By: BSK http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34435 BSK Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:21:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34435 Andy- I feel the same way when they say things like that. You see it in basketball, too. "Team X is on a 22-2 run." Obviously, it's worth noting when a team is playing particularly well or poorly over a given stretch, but when you cherry pick stats, it is inherently misleading to emphasize a point. I prefer if they use a more static measure, such as the newspaper consistently giving the record over the last 10 or giving a stat over a specific time period such as a month. Obviously, the end points are still arbitrary, but at least they weren't contrived to emphasize the point. Andy-

I feel the same way when they say things like that. You see it in basketball, too. "Team X is on a 22-2 run." Obviously, it's worth noting when a team is playing particularly well or poorly over a given stretch, but when you cherry pick stats, it is inherently misleading to emphasize a point. I prefer if they use a more static measure, such as the newspaper consistently giving the record over the last 10 or giving a stat over a specific time period such as a month. Obviously, the end points are still arbitrary, but at least they weren't contrived to emphasize the point.

]]> By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34421 DoubleDiamond Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:41:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34421 My pet peeve is hearing that a pitcher "struck out the side" when it wasn't a 1-2-3 inning, even though all three outs came via striekout. No, he didn't strike out the side, the way I see it, because someone managed to reach base and thus avoid getting struck out. I will compromise on this issue for situations in which any batter who reached base safely did so due to a dropped third strike. My pet peeve is hearing that a pitcher "struck out the side" when it wasn't a 1-2-3 inning, even though all three outs came via striekout. No, he didn't strike out the side, the way I see it, because someone managed to reach base and thus avoid getting struck out. I will compromise on this issue for situations in which any batter who reached base safely did so due to a dropped third strike.

]]> By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34406 Basmati Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:49:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34406 It's a case of being able to make almost any argument if you're selective with the information! I read today Dan Haren has made 190 consecutive starts (at risk after getting hit with that line drive on Monday). Is there a longer active streak? What is the record? Is there even a way of running this search? I guess it's not easy. It's a case of being able to make almost any argument if you're selective with the information!

I read today Dan Haren has made 190 consecutive starts (at risk after getting hit with that line drive on Monday). Is there a longer active streak? What is the record? Is there even a way of running this search? I guess it's not easy.

]]> By: Dillon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7606/comment-page-1#comment-34405 Dillon Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:49:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7606#comment-34405 The announcers are just trying to make something interesting out of what is often randomness. If they hypothesized what the team's record would be if they continued to play at that rate, well then that's a little over the top. The announcers are just trying to make something interesting out of what is often randomness. If they hypothesized what the team's record would be if they continued to play at that rate, well then that's a little over the top.

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