Comments on: To Infinity And Beyond! http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Dvd Avins http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-32263 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:15:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-32263 I meant infinite, not zero.

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By: Dvd Avins http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-32246 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:43:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-32246 Medich ahd pitched for the Yankees earlier in the year, but it won't show up in any stat site. He and Charlie Spikes were called up from AA West Haven to play in the Mayor's Trophy Game, which was an annual mid-season Yankees-Mets game for NYC bragging rights. Medich got the start and, if I remember right, pitched fairly well.

Dividing by zero is context-dependent. Strictly as a mathematical operation, it is undefined. But a particular situation modeled by such an equation may have an answer. Depending on just how one words the definition of ERA, the answer can be zero or not.

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By: dethwing http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-32060 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:46:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-32060 dodgerdave:

There isa difference between 2/0 and

lim 2/x = Infinity
x-->0+

The former is an undefined opperation. 2/0 = x cannot be solved, since it would imply 2 = 0.
The latter is a well established limit, but ONLY from the right side. [The 0+]. If you take the limit from the left side of 0, the result is negative infinity. Therefore, since the left hand and right hand limits don't agree, the value doesn't exist.

Since ERA is determined in terms of division, and NOT limits, it would be more correct to say their ERA is undefined, not infinite.

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By: Phil http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31959 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:01:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31959 I was looking at William Ford's page and something doesn't match. His profile (and the above play index chart) shows he started one game and faced three batters, walking all of them. He was pulled and credited with 3 earned runs.

The boxscore only shows the Phillies scoring two runs in the bottom of the 1st and his pitching line shows 3 BB, 2 ER.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31945 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:44:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31945 Furthermore, we can't go much farther without talking about Wilson Alverez... who of course, started a game in 1989, didn't record an out.... didn't play in 1990... and in his first start of 1991 pitched a no hitter...

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31944 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:42:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31944 Also, expanding on my posts of #11 & #12:

Mike Myers holds the career record for most appearances with 129. Orosco is next with only 80. Dennys Reyes (of StL) is the active leader (I think) with 62... in 6th place.

Surprisingly enough Myers doesn't lead in losses in those games, he has 9... but Steve Kline lost 11 of his 60 appearances in which he didn't record an out.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31941 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:37:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31941 If Musial never pitched again he would have a non-existent ERA because he gave up 0 runs and recorded 0 outs. There's really no debate about what 0 divided by 0 is. The same with Yount, since he didn't record an out, or give up a run, his ERA is the exact same as that of you and I.... non-existent.

Additionally, Haddix was charged with the uER because the runner was his, meaning the runner that scored was the first batter of the game, the one Haddix walked. Had Musials single batter faced scored, his ERA would have still been non-existent because he would have given up 0 earned runs... and recorded 0 outs. 0 divided by 0.

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By: Spartan Bill http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31936 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:14:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31936 Wouldn't someone like Larry Yount 0 IP 0 ER 0 BFP alsi have an ERA of "inf", "nil", or whatever else you prefer to call it?

For those that aren't familiar Larry Yount (yes he is Robin's brother) appeared as an announced player in one MLB game; however he injured himself as he was throwing his warm-ups on the mound and due to the injury, was replaced without having to face 1 batter.

There was also a bizarre game on 9-28-52 where Harvey Haddix started and walked the leadoff hitter (Brown). Haddix moved to the RF the RF moved to CF and Stan Musial of all people came into P. he got the batter (Baumholtz) to hit a grounder, but the batter reached on an E-5. Everyone returned to their normal positions and Haddix got a DP, retiring Baumholtz.

Haddix was charged with the uER and Musial never pitched again. What is his ERA??

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN195209280.shtml

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31927 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:29:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31927 In both 1972 and 1973, a pitcher with one of the New York teams debuted in the majors as a September call-up, appearing in only one game, and allowing at least run without recording an out. Both times, I wondered if the guy would ever get a chance to have an ERA other than "infinity", "none", "nil", or "unknown". Fortunately for them, both Dr. George Medich and Bob Apodaca ended up playing a few years in the majors. Medich ended up with a career ERA of 3.78, mainly as a starter. Apodaca's career ERA was 2.86, mainly in relief.

Medich's first game was rather interesting. It was on the road, and the Yankees were already up 5-0 when he took the mound against Baltimore in the bottom of the first. He gave up a single, two walks to load the bases, and another single that scored one run. At that point, he was replaced by lefthander Wade Blasingame. That also caused Earl Weaver to substitute righthanded hitter Paul Blair for Terry Crowley, just in his first time at-bat. Blair hit into a double play, but a run scored. After another walk, the third out was recorded, to leave the score 5-2. The Yankees held on to win, 7-6. This was one of those games in which the starter left before pitching five with a lead that never was surrendered. Veteran pitcher Lindy McDaniel pitched the longest for the Yankees and got chosen to receive the win. Sparky Lyle got the save. Although the Yankees used four pitchers in this game near the end of the last pre-DH season, none were removed for a pinch hitter. Medich, Blasingame, and McDaniel were all removed during an inning, and Blasingame and McDaniel both got at least one plate appearance.

The Orioles' pitchers didn't fare too well either, obviously. Perhaps it's no surprise that Baltimore had to use three pitchers just to get out of the first. One of them, Dave Leonhard, also did not retire a batter, but he was a veteran who was not left with an "inf" ERA for his career. Later in the game, the Orioles pinch-hit for two of the five pitchers they ultimately used in the game. Al Bumbry, 1973 AL Rookie of the Year (an award for which Medich also contended), made his major league debut as one of the guys who hit for a pitcher in that game.

Apodaca began the bottom of the ninth against the Pirates on September 18, 1973, with the Mets leading by two runs. These days, that would clearly be closer time. But Tug McGraw had already been used earlier, before the Mets pinch-hit for him while scoring five runs in the top of the 9th to take the lead. Apodaca walked the first two batters he faced and was removed. Reliever Buzz Capra got the next two hitters on groundouts, but the guy on the 2nd from the first walk advanced first to third and then to home on these. The game ended with no further scoring. At the time, the Pirates were in first place in the NL East, while the Mets were in 4th but only 2 1/2 back. This victory was no doubt instrumental in allowing the Mets to eventually overtake the Pirates and two other teams to win the division that year.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7450/comment-page-1#comment-31925 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:17:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7450#comment-31925 Yeah that's pretty wild. If you take a look at his minors numbers, from 2000 on (which he played in the bigs too) he was terrible. I'm assuming in 1999 he had some type of injury which caused him to miss the rest of that year, and come back not the same as he was... but that's entirely a guess. It is interesting...

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