Comments on: Ben Zobrist: MVP http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Greg http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28967 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:05:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28967 @Bobby

So he's not a "super utility" player he is just a player that plays everyday at different positions. How is that not a utility player? Why does it matter whether you start or come off the bench? He still plays all over the place, that still makes him a utility player...

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By: Bobby http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28911 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:07:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28911 Zobrist is no longer a Super Utility. He is a MLB starter who happens to start at two different positions, and sometimes more.

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By: [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss A Rare Shields Win, Choate’s Big Outs And An Ugly Money Grab | Rays Index http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28903 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:46:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28903 [...] MVP might be a stretch, but Ben Zobrist is certainly valuable. [Baseball-Reference.com] [...]

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By: Brandon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28901 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:08:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28901 Well I could argue that Omar Infante is in the same boat as Zobrist. Granted Zobrist has more "power", but Omar contributes in just about all the same ways as Zobrist. I think super utility guys are the "most valuable" players to their given team. However they won't get the recognition they deserve. I think Major League Baseball should come up with some type of Utility Award, maybe call it the Jose Oquendo award!

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28844 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:37:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28844 would the eyeball test suggest that you are watching every game of every player that doesn't match up with the "advanced" stats?

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By: Nick http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28842 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:34:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28842 "Eyeball test" is what leads people to think that Torii Hunter is a elite defensive wiz in 2010

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By: WanderingWinder http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28823 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:15:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28823 I'm simply not sold on the effectiveness of these defensive statistics. The flaws in the "normal" defensive stats are well documented; the "advanced" stats don't matchup with the eyeball test enough for me to trust them.

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28807 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:49:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28807 Give the MVP voters some credit. He did come in 8th. For a non-rookie multi-positional guy ("496/7835D") in his first full season and playing for a non-contending team, that's not bad.

Some of the voters had been looking at the advanced metrics evidently.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28804 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:26:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28804 He did deserve MVP consideration last season. I think I put him 3rd or so on my imaginary ballot. This year, not so much, but there's a long way to go. I do agree that there can be a lot of value in being able to play multiple positions well and I'm not sure how best to quantify that.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7111/comment-page-1#comment-28803 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:25:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7111#comment-28803 Great point bringing up Oquendo. He had positive Rtot numbers for his career at SS and 2B, where he played a lot of games, and pretty much zero at numerous other positions. This made him significantly more valuable than his numbers otherwise showed, just like Zobrist. Not, however, the greatest player of all time.

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