Comments on: Home Team Batting First and Marlins in San Juan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Penn State Clips http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-28832 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:52:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-28832

Another thing, should the fans become un ruly or the stadium become unfit to play, the HOME TEAM must foriet the game. Theroetically speaking, if the Phillies fans had started a riot at during the Jays game, the Jays would have had to forfiet to the Phillies.

How can this possibly be true? I know MLB makes some dumb decisions, but you are saying they are COMPLETELY devoid of common sense.

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By: dunnowhat2type http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-28180 Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:31:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-28180 I thought the purpose of home/road designations by MLB was to define who kept the gate. I remember reading something about that when they announced that the game had been moved.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-28118 Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:18:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-28118 I thought the Jays kept the gate and Phillies got the concessions.

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By: Sean Forman http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-28109 Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:28:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-28109 Phillies collected the gate and sold all of the tickets, but I'm sure they sent a little somethin' somethin' to the Blue Jays to compensate them for the three lost games.

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By: BSK http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-28108 Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:26:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-28108 Who got the gate proceeds? Because missing 3 interleague games is a HUGE financial hole for the Blue Jays.

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By: John L http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-27876 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:44:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-27876 Re: 27
I also wondered that. I think all the Florida spring training sites should have been in play. Did the Devil Rays play a few regular season games in one of those ballparks a few years back or did they not?

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-27840 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:20:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-27840 I actually wondered when the Philadelphia-Toronto series shift was announced why a neutral site wasn't considered. Is Stade Olympique in Montreal still standing and still in a position in which it could have been made ready in time for such games? Or maybe the ballpark in Puerto Rico where the Mets and Marlins are playing this week. Of course, prior commitments for these stadia may have prevented such scheduling.

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By: Fireworks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-27836 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 02:37:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-27836 Personally I feel that you can't possibly have two teams in cities that far apart, and have one team play a designated home series in the other team's park and still call them the home team. It'd be different if the Mets for whatever reason had to play a home series against the Yankees in Yankees Stadium--it's very easy for the Mets to ensure that their fans are nearly as well-represented as they would be in Citi Field. However, a team like Toronto can't do that in Philadelphia. There should probably be a rule preventing teams like Toronto from giving teams like the Phillies three extra home games when there is just the one series that has to be impacted and it isn't a bother at all to move to a truly neutral location. There are already enough imbalances in the schedule, we don't need the lure of a big gate to trump a proper neutral site series considerations.

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By: Malcolm http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-27829 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 02:07:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-27829 Well when you're the Phillies and your closer is Brad Lidge, having the last at bat is really, really, REALLY nice.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7009/comment-page-1#comment-27801 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:04:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=7009#comment-27801 Back in 1991, the Montreal Expos had to play their last 26 games on the road because of a roof problem presenting a safety issue in Stade Olympique. This included two trips to Philadelphia. I don't recall the Phillies being required to bat first in whichever of the two series was originally supposed to be played in Montreal. I wonder if the decision to give the Blue Jays the final at bat in this past weekend's series came about as a result of some complaints having arisen from the way that long unplanned Expos rode trip was handled.

I thought I rememberd a situation in which a Phillies home game against Houston that was going to be the Astros' last game in Philadelphia that season was rained out, and it was made up during a series that the Phillies played not too long after that in the Astrodome. That series in Houston was a weekend one - Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The make-up game was part of a doubleheader on Sunday. I remember reading that normally, the doubleheader would be required by MLB rules for the first game of the series (that's why you see so many Friday twi-night doubleheaders for rain make-ups, because of further problems if later games got rained out), but an exception was made because of the series taking place in a dome.

I tried to find this game here last week, but I couldn't find any such game within the following parameters:

1. After I moved to Philadelphia, which was in the 1986-87 offseason, but before the combination of the split into three divisions per league (1994), interleague play (1997), and the most recent expansion (1998) cut back the number of times the Phillies and Astros played each other. I seem to recall that this was when the Phillies and Astros still met for four series - two in each city - every year. But I still went as far as 1999 in my search because of the next item.

2. In the Astrodome era, which ended in 1999. While I'm pretty sure that Enron/Minute Maid is either also a dome or has a retractable roof, I seem to recall the Astrodome being involved here.

3. The last series of the year between the two teams took place in Houston and was shown as a four-game series, with a doubleheader on Sunday. (While I knew that the first game in the series was not made into a doubleheader, I wasn't 100% sure that the DH was on Sunday. So I looked for a Saturday twin-bill, too.)

4. Not 1993, because I knew what happened in every game that season for many years to come. And not 1994, either, because it was not during the strike-shortened season.

Maybe my 58-year-old eyes are no longer what they were before, or I only imagined this happening.

I didn't know about that September 26, 2007, game in Seattle. I wondered if I'd find someone who played in that game who also played in the Toronto/Philadelphia series just concluded. I looked mainly for guys who were in Sunday's game in Philadelphia because I was at that game. And sure enough, I found two! Raul Ibanez started as the DH for the "road team" in Seattle and again for the "road team" in Philadelphia this past Sunday. And who was playing LF, his usual position, on Sunday for the "road team"? None other than Ben Francisco, who played LF for the "home team" on 9/26/2007.

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