Comments on: Carlos Zambrano’s short start (and short temper) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Padman Jones http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27195 Padman Jones Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:20:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27195 His option vests if he finishes in 1st or 2nd in the Cy Young voting in 2011 or 2012 (can't remember) and if he finishes the 2012 season healthy. If they're gonna trade him, it's time to play NBA GM and start matching up salaries, because no one's taking on his deal unless they're trying to dump money. His option vests if he finishes in 1st or 2nd in the Cy Young voting in 2011 or 2012 (can't remember) and if he finishes the 2012 season healthy. If they're gonna trade him, it's time to play NBA GM and start matching up salaries, because no one's taking on his deal unless they're trying to dump money.

]]> By: Bryan Mueller http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27190 Bryan Mueller Sat, 26 Jun 2010 14:52:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27190 @Angelo: I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. Derrek Lee was playing in on that double so I think it was a much harder play than we realize. Lee has been having a tough time recently but let's not forget he is a gold-glover. Although I don't agree with Zambrano's actions, Bob Brenly had a good point when he said that it was nice to see some emotion from the team....albeit Zambrano took it way over the top. I have been a Cubs fan for all 26 years of my life, and I must say no player (maybe Prior) has frustrated me more than Zambrano. He has become a posterboy for those pitchers who we (as fans) have no idea whether he will go 8 innings of 1 run ball or whether he will give up 5 runs and last only 4 innings. I will admit I know very little about how contract work and what all the $ figures mean, but I can't see the Cubs easily getting rid of him. It may be too big of a question for other GM's to figure out which Zambrano they would get. For the sake of Zambrano and Cubs fans, let's just hope he gets it figured out. @Angelo: I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. Derrek Lee was playing in on that double so I think it was a much harder play than we realize. Lee has been having a tough time recently but let's not forget he is a gold-glover.

Although I don't agree with Zambrano's actions, Bob Brenly had a good point when he said that it was nice to see some emotion from the team....albeit Zambrano took it way over the top. I have been a Cubs fan for all 26 years of my life, and I must say no player (maybe Prior) has frustrated me more than Zambrano. He has become a posterboy for those pitchers who we (as fans) have no idea whether he will go 8 innings of 1 run ball or whether he will give up 5 runs and last only 4 innings. I will admit I know very little about how contract work and what all the $ figures mean, but I can't see the Cubs easily getting rid of him. It may be too big of a question for other GM's to figure out which Zambrano they would get. For the sake of Zambrano and Cubs fans, let's just hope he gets it figured out.

]]> By: angelo morelli http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27173 angelo morelli Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:14:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27173 Hey its part of baseball maybe just maybe that will light a fire under their asses, oh and derek lee sure could have made a better effort on that play. (no crying in baseball) Play Ball! Hey its part of baseball maybe just maybe that will light a fire under their asses, oh and derek lee sure could have made a better effort on that play. (no crying in baseball) Play Ball!

]]> By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27105 Johnny Twisto Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:29:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27105 Zambrano has about $50M left on his contract, plus a $20M vesting option (not sure what it takes to vest). He still has too much talent to just release and watch him turn it around for someone else for free. And there's no way this is something that would make a contract voidable. Zambrano has about $50M left on his contract, plus a $20M vesting option (not sure what it takes to vest). He still has too much talent to just release and watch him turn it around for someone else for free.

And there's no way this is something that would make a contract voidable.

]]> By: Mike Anderson http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27099 Mike Anderson Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:08:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27099 Carlos Zambrano has always had a short temper. No athlete should have problems with their teammates. If he pitched well, there wouldn't be any temper tantrums. Maybe he should start focusing on fixing his pitching technique. Carlos Zambrano has always had a short temper. No athlete should have problems with their teammates. If he pitched well, there wouldn't be any temper tantrums. Maybe he should start focusing on fixing his pitching technique.

]]> By: Spartan Bill http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27080 Spartan Bill Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:39:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27080 MLB Network just reported that CZ has been suspended indefinitely Hendrie said "we will play with 24 men before we tolerate this." I don't know the fine points of the standard MLB contract, but I imagine there is some sort of out clause in situations like this. i am sure the Cubs and the Players Union bth have attorneys who are looking into this right now. Even if the Cubs have to eat the 18M (or whatever it is), he is a cancer in the clubhouse and is eating a roster spot. It sounds like there are 24 teammates who won;t mind seeing him thrown under the bus. MLB Network just reported that CZ has been suspended indefinitely

Hendrie said "we will play with 24 men before we tolerate this." I don't know the fine points of the standard MLB contract, but I imagine there is some sort of out clause in situations like this. i am sure the Cubs and the Players Union bth have attorneys who are looking into this right now.

Even if the Cubs have to eat the 18M (or whatever it is), he is a cancer in the clubhouse and is eating a roster spot. It sounds like there are 24 teammates who won;t mind seeing him thrown under the bus.

]]> By: Fireworks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27079 Fireworks Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:34:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27079 MLBN is reporting that Zambrano is suspended indefinitely. MLBN is reporting that Zambrano is suspended indefinitely.

]]> By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27077 Johnny Twisto Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:10:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27077 He ain't getting traded with that contract, and he ain't getting released with that contract. He ain't getting traded with that contract, and he ain't getting released with that contract.

]]> By: Spartan Bill http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27075 Spartan Bill Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:55:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27075 I watched the game, and he was pissed at Lee for not making a play. Juan Pierre doubled down the RF line, and Zambrano felt Lee should have made the play. He wasn't upset with Colvin for not catching a double, a single or the 3-run dinger that Carlos Quinton put about 8 rows into the seats that inning though. Somehow that was OK. WGN interviewed a surprisingly calm Lou Pinella after the game, and all he said was that he and the GM would be discussing it. Reading between the lines, I expect Zambrano will be an Ex-Cub real soon. I watched the game, and he was pissed at Lee for not making a play. Juan Pierre doubled down the RF line, and Zambrano felt Lee should have made the play.

He wasn't upset with Colvin for not catching a double, a single or the 3-run dinger that Carlos Quinton put about 8 rows into the seats that inning though. Somehow that was OK. WGN interviewed a surprisingly calm Lou Pinella after the game, and all he said was that he and the GM would be discussing it.

Reading between the lines, I expect Zambrano will be an Ex-Cub real soon.

]]> By: Fireworks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6969/comment-page-1#comment-27065 Fireworks Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:26:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6969#comment-27065 I was always a bit troubled by how when Bradley was a Cubbie last year, before the end of the year controversy, he had that outburst in the middle of the season and Piniella got all over him, but Zambrano had had an outburst shortly before that and it seemed like that was okay. I was always a bit troubled by how when Bradley was a Cubbie last year, before the end of the year controversy, he had that outburst in the middle of the season and Piniella got all over him, but Zambrano had had an outburst shortly before that and it seemed like that was okay.

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