Comments on: Offensive Evolution (Part 2) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Baseball-Reference Blog » Blog Archive » Offensive Evolution (Part 3) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-26328 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:27:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-26328 [...] you didn't see Part 2 of this series, start there, then come back to this [...]

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By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25935 Sat, 19 Jun 2010 06:19:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25935 DoubleDiamond, I posted something about Shano Collins in the Shane Victorino bases-loaded triple thread a few days back. Andy, how has the average number of qualifiers per team fluctuated over the seasons? That might provide a little more context for all these excellent graphs.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25876 Sat, 19 Jun 2010 00:58:06 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25876 I had only heard of Shano Collins because in the 1970s, I had a trading card of a guy named Bob Gallagher that said he was the grandson of an earlier player named Shano Collins.

For many years, Gallagher was believed to be the only major league player whose maternal grandfather played in the majors. These are harder to find than the ones whose paternal grandfathers were major leaguers because they usually have different last names. There's at least one more now - Jayson Werth.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25868 Sat, 19 Jun 2010 00:31:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25868 '25 was the bellyache. '22 he was suspended for barnstorming. Not sure when the Huggins incident was, but I don't think it resulted in losing a major portion of the season, did it?

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By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25848 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:35:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25848 Johnny T.,

1922 wasn't "the Year of the Great Bellyache", was it? I thought Ruth only got suspended in '25 or '26, whichever year is was that he tried to throw Huggins off of a moving train.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25784 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:36:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25784 And Walter Johnson won one in '24 after previously winning in '13. So no, they were not ineligible if they had won the old (Chalmers) award. They just didn't get voted for. Odd, since I think Cobb was widely considered the best player around, even for a long time after Ruth blossomed.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25783 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:32:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25783 err, "won that ONE..."

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25782 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:32:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25782 Kahuna, a new MVP award started in '22. I know players who won that won were ineligible later in the '20s. Were people who had won the old award in the teens ineligible for the new award? I guess you must be right, since neither Cobb nor Speaker ever got a single vote in the '20s. But that seems odd, because they did get votes for the old award after they had won one.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25781 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:29:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25781 Downpuppy, Ruth was suspended for a large portion of 1922.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6804/comment-page-1#comment-25780 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:27:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6804#comment-25780 Looking at the MVP voting in 1922, Cobb, Ruth, Williams & Speaker got 0 votes.

IIRC, Cobb and Speaker were ineligible for the MVP award in 1922 because they'd won it in a previous season.

Ruth played only 110 games in 1922, although his 35 HR and 99 RBI were darn good totals. I have no idea why Ken Williams didn't receive any MVP votes in 1922.

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