Comments on: Consecutive Starts 8+IP, 1-R http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Butch Cassidy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24188 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:52:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24188 It seems like the only time Matt Cain gets a friggin' win is when he throws a complete game. Giants need some bats to back him up.

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By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24170 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:06:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24170 Interesting that Vander Meer came up. It was a really fond memory of my dad that he was there to so the second no-hitter -- and how my dad booed when McKechnie kept warming up relievers because Vandy was so wild. That reliever was Bucky Walters -- a childhood favorite of mine.

Thanks for that memory.

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24157 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:03:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24157 Its fun to see Johnny Vander Meer's consecutive no-hitters show up on the list.

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By: BalBurgh http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24140 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:19:08 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24140 In honor of Mr. Strasburg's amazing kickoff I was harkening back to Fernando's rookie 1981, when my dad and I were looking forward to seeing him at Three Rivers after work, only to be denied by the strike in the middle of that season. Per the rest of my Facebook post, I hope other fathers and sons get to do better with this memory.

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By: DavidJ http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24137 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:08:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24137 As for Cain, his four-game 8+IP, 1-R streak gives him five such starts on the season, which is more than Roy Halladay (four) and Ubaldo Jimenez (three).

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By: DavidJ http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24129 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:42:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24129 Since 1900, Gibson's '68 ranks third in WAR for pitchers (behind only Walter Johnson's 1913 and Steve Carlton's 1972), and sixth in ERA+ (behind only Pedro's 2000, Dutch Leonard's 1914, Maddux's '94 and '95, and Johnson's '13). In fact, Gibson's '68 and Johnson's 1912 and '13 are the only seasons in the top ten in both WAR and ERA+.

I do agree that the Maddux and Pedro seasons are more impressive given the era they occurred in, but Gibson's season is nonetheless deservedly on the short list for greatest of all time. It's not overrated by any stretch.

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By: Hartvig http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24125 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:17:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24125 This makes me wonder about this 100 pitch count nonsense that so many pitchers are under nowadays. How many of those starts would have been less than 8 innings if the pitcher had to come out at 100 pitches? And I don't see a lot of careers in that list that were shortened due to "overwork".

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By: nightfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24109 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:43:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24109 Yeah, that slacker Gibson, only posting 13 shutouts and the seventh-best ERA+ of all time! But in fairness to you, wboenig, you did manage to pick out three of the six years that topped his ERA+ mark: Maddux's '94 and '95, and Pedro's 2000. (Guidry's '78 is 30th, an ERA+ of 208 vs. Gibby's 258.)

Gibson's WHIP of .853 is 11th all-time (excluding the five pre-1901 results). Pedro's 2000 was first.

From 1968-1972, Gibson completed 72.6% of his starts. Holy shniekie.

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By: SJBlonger http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24107 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:25:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24107 While Gibson's 1.12 ERA was certainly depressed by the prevailing conditions, to say he "found the time" to lose 9 games is pretty harsh. He lost two 1-0 games and a 2-0; in seven of those losses the Cards scored no more than two runs. In May he "found the time" to lose four consecutive games while pitching 33 innings and allowing only 7 earned runs, losing by scores of 3-2, 1-0, 2-0, and 3-1.

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By: wboenig http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6654/comment-page-1#comment-24105 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:55:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6654#comment-24105 I know that I am in a small minority here when I say this, but I believe that Bob Gibson's 1968 season is on e of the more overrated ones in history. Let's keep in mind that he still found time to lose nine games for a team that was good enough to go to the World Series. His 1.12 ERA was as much a product of the times as it was a reflection of his skill. That was the same year that Drysdale threw 58 consecutive scoreless innings, Yaz won the batting title with a .301 average, the Mets and Astros took 24 innings to settle a 1-0 game, and the All-Star Game saw only one run scored, and that was on a double play grounder. IMO, Gibson's 1968 has since been topped by Guidry in '78, Gooden in '85, Maddux in both '94 and '95, and Martinez in both '99 and '00.

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