Comments on: Negative Game Scores http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Deacon Drake http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-24378 Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:19:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-24378 I remember the Mike Oquist game. Art Howe publicly apologized to him for keeping him out there when he clearly had no stuff that day... the bullpen had been wrecked closing out a couple close games and they had nobody available for more than an inning. Therefore, Oquist had to go until his regular numbers were reached.

LaRussa would have just brought in a backup infielder...

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By: david whitehill http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-24133 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:02:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-24133 Gio Gonzales pulled off the win!

Actually, I guess his team won...

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By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23969 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:29:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23969 Three HoFers in the 1st table, Ted Lyons, Bob Feller, and Eppa Rixey.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23964 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:50:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23964 Comments on the list for the last 20 seasons:

Two Blue Jays who later pitched perfect games.

And two current members of the Phillies starting rotation.

It's interesting that the Phillies themselves don't show up as either the pitcher's own team (I guess Manuel, Bowa, Francona, Fregosi, and Leyva have/had quick hooks) or the opponent (despite some years of heavy offense).

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23925 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:13:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23925 PI finds 18 pitchers with two starts with negative game scores, including Dazzy Vance and Waite Hoyt. There are likely more in the non-Retrosheet era, probably even someone with three.

It seems that a 0 game score really is a cut-off for extreme suckitude. When searching for most games under a GS of 5, all of a sudden there are many more qualifying games. Ted Lyons had 6 of them, but only one was negative.

In a way, the negative game scores might not be as bad as the others. Lyons went 8 IP, 16 runs in his -16 start. In his five starts with a score from 1 to 5, he pitched fewer than 5 IP in each.

Lyons is the only HOF pitcher who walked more batters than he struck out. Never knew that.

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By: Charles DeLano http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23916 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:24:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23916 These negative stats remind me of a song (Less Than Zero) I watched on the PBS series "Square One TV". It was about an Olympic athlete named Stanley O'Toole, who did so poor in games like diving, dancing, hammer throw, etc., the judges gave him scores of -24, -10, -2, -55, -etc. It goes to prove that studying negative number is at times a positive experience. Same goes for these game scores from pitchers such as Howard Ehmke, Mike Oquist, Scott Sanders, etc. Perhaps those pitchers felt like O'Toole on the days they were batting practice to the hitters. You won't see these negative scores from Ubaldo Jimenez, C.C. Sabathia, Tim Lincecum, or other Cy Young and All-Star caliber pitchers. You also (hopefully) won't see a negative performance from Stephen Strasburg tonight against PIT. Nevertheless, any pitcher can have an off day, but, fortunately, only a few have horrible outings their game scores are similar to Stanley O'Toole's Olympic results in "Less Than Zero."

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23890 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:13:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23890 In his 16 losses in 2006, Jason Marquis had an average game score of 29.7.

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By: Spartan Bill http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23888 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:05:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23888 Allan Travers -52
Bill Travers -13

No wonder Peter and Paul never let Mary pitch.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23881 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:48:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23881 Allan Travers had a -52 (I think) in the one game he pitched for Detroit in 1912, when the regulars struck in support of Ty Cobb.

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By: Detroit Michael http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6622/comment-page-1#comment-23853 Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:19:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6622#comment-23853 It seems to me that the David Wells game was during a time when he was feuding with manager Cito Gaston. Wells complained that he should be in the starting rotation full-time and that Gaston shouldn't remove him from the game too quickly. Gaston left him in the game to take a double dose of punishment to sort of prove Gaston's point. I might have the details a bit wrong, but there was definitely a backstory to that outing.

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