Comments on: Holy cow http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4588 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:41:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4588 You can also add Morgan Ensberg(2006) and Jack Cust(2007) to Gerry's list

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4585 Mon, 05 May 2008 10:23:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4585 That's a pretty fascinating list--pretty much all of those are compelling players. Some got more walks than hits because they were very dangerous hitters who were put on base a lot. Others got more walks than hits because they were lousy hitters but had enough power to warrant being walked from time to time.

Since that list was written in 2001, it doesn't include Barry Bonds, who had more walks than hits, and more than 75 hits, in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007.

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4584 Mon, 05 May 2008 01:50:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4584 In 2001, on the SABR mailing list, Dick Adams wrote, "Maybe someone else on the list might provided a list of players with 75 or more hits in a season who had more walks than hits."

Sean Lahman answered, "It's been done 44 times by 25 players:

"Cal Abrams (1945), Max Bishop (1926,27,29,30,32), Bernie Carbo (1975), Jack Clark
(1987,89,90), Jack Crooks (1892,93), Roy Cullenbine (1947), Rob Deer (1991), Hank
Greenberg (1991), Toby Harrah (1985), Rickey Henderson (1996), Eddie Joost
(1947,49), Mickey Mantle (1966,68), Willie McCovey (1973,74), Mark McGwire
(1995,98), Mel Ott (1943), Ken Phelps (1986), Yank Robinson (1888, 1889), Gary
Sheffield (1997), Eddie Stanky (1945,46,51), Gene Tenace (1974,77,78), Mickey
Tettleton (1990,94,95), Wes Westrum (1951), Ted Williams (1954), Jim Wynn
(1969,75,75), Eddie Yost (1955,1956)."

The Hank Greenberg date is obviously a typo.

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4572 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:54:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4572 I started this list before David made his post. It still adds some info
Top 10 Players with more walks than hits sorted by hits: Ive included how many were IBB in()
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(01) Barry Bonds 2001 : 156 H, 177(35)BB
(02) Mark McGwire 1998 : 152 H, 162(28)BB
(03) Barry Bonds 2002 : 149 H, 198(68)BB
(04) Eddie Stanky 1945 : 143 H, 148(NA)BB
(05) Eddie Joost 1949 : 138 H, 149(NA)BB
(06) Barry Bonds 2004 : 135 H, 232(120)BB
(07) Ted Williams 1954 : 133 H, 136(NA)BB
(08) Jimmy Winn 1969 : 133 H, 148(14)BB
(09) Barry Bonds 2003 : 133 H, 148(61)BB
(10) Eddie Stanky 1946 : 132 H, 137(NA)BB

Stats courtesy of the Sean Lahman database

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4571 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:30:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4571 I read the suggestions, kingturtle, just can't always respond.

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By: David in Toledo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4570 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:23:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4570 Okay, a list of players with at least 100 hits in a season and more walks than hits. First, some interesting exceptions. Ted Williams, 1947, 181 hits, 162 bb, the closest to equal with 159+ hits. Jimmy Sheckard, 1911, 149 hits, 147 bb. Willie Mays at age 40, 1971, 113 hits, 112 walks.

Barry Bonds, 156 hits and 177 walks in 2001. He went over the line of 100h/101bb 4 times, and had the biggest walk margin (97 more walks) in 2004. Also (in order of # of hits in their highest mention on this list) Mark McGwire, Eddie Stanky (did it twice), Eddie Joost (twice), Jimmy Wynn (twice), Williams (in 1954), Mickey Mantle (twice), Jack Clark (twice), Eddie Yost, Rickey Henderson, Gary Sheffield, Max Bishop (4 times), Toby Harrah, Roy Cullenbine, Mickey Tettleton, Gene Tenace (twice), Willie McCovey, Jack Cust (last year), and Hank Greenberg.

A great many of these seasons came from guys in their later years. Some of them couldn't swing the bat as well as once they could, but they could still see, and they compensated ("We grow too soon old and too late smart").

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4569 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:16:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4569 Also Eddie Joost and Eddie Stanky. Looks like Ted Williams managed it once. '50s are a good era to look at...a lot of BB at that time.

Here's some guys with over 100 BB and under 100 hits:
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/EzNE

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By: David in Toledo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4568 Fri, 02 May 2008 14:32:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4568 Kingturtle, I don't know how to prepare the list you ask for. But see Eddie Yost (1955-56), Barry Bonds (of course), and Max Bishop (most years).

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By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4567 Fri, 02 May 2008 12:54:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4567 Awesome research to find awesome research! Well done!

On a separate issue, I have a stat request. I'd make it in http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/suggestions but I don't think anyone reads that.

I noticed that Andruw Jones (through last night) had 15 walks and 14 hits for the season. Can someone post a list of players with more walks than hits in a season, ranked by most hits?

Also, it may be time to see how Andruw Jones' season is ranking historically overall.

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/652/comment-page-1#comment-4565 Fri, 02 May 2008 03:29:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/652#comment-4565 to answer my own question - because the list was written 1979.
http://www.sabr.org/cmsFiles/Files/Pitchers_as_Pinch_Hitters.pdf

statboy- good find.
Can anyone fill in the subsequent years?

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