Comments on: Active Hall-of-Famers (batters) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-23208 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:36:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-23208 Three thoughts.

1} At the rate he's going, Teixeira will make it -- especially if he spends the remainder of his big years with the Yankees.

2} The exclusion of Stephens is in my opinion an injustice. He was by far the best post-Sisler St. Louis Brown, as well as a respectable infielder and steadying influence on all of the various teams he played on -- especially the St. Louis/Baltimore squads of the Forties and Fifties. He was just as valuable as Rico Petrocelli was a value to Boston because of his mixture of "tangibles" and "intangibles" {just for the record, I think Rico belongs in these discussions as well}.

3} I predict that Morneau will follow the path Billy Williams took to the Hall -- following Mauer just as Williams did Banks -- and just as deservedly so {barring injury to either of them, of course}.

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By: Purple Pups http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-23203 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:55:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-23203 Two things:

1. You'll have to again consider Vlad with the season he's having in Texas.
2. Justin Morneau? Where is he in this discussion? He's a former AL MVP, and again contending for it. Anybody who's gotten an MVP at least has to be considered for the Hall. Not to mention that he's only 29, and will likely have 400+ dingers by his retirement.

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By: Dan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-23094 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:49:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-23094 The one that catches my eye is Damon. We're talking about a guy hitting .288 but may get to 3,000 hits. Even if the 3,000 chase doesn't impress you, the fact that he's a run-scoring machine should. But he's not Jeter. He's not automatic and needs some good full seasons to get to a 1700 runs/2800+ hits. At those levels, it will be tough to keep him out.

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By: Baseball-Reference Blog » Blog Archive » Active Hall-of-Famers (pitchers) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22954 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:28:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22954 [...] you didn't see my earlier similar post about hitters, check that one out [...]

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By: RollingWave http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22785 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:05:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22785 Well the 9 locks should get no contest from anyone, on your second tier I have doubts anyone of them will make it, though Helton probably undeservingly so.

On ur 3rd list, which is a bit of a mixed bag since some of them are still quite young. amoung them I think Cabrera and Mauer are locks if they don't suffer a massive meltdown, Utley too but his margin of error is somewhat smaller. Edmonds can be made a good case but in terms of actual voting might be in danger of getting hosed. Damon would present a very interesting case if he crawls to 3000, a few other may or may not make it though on that list it seems only Teixiera / Holliday / Berkman and mayyyybe Howard have any sort of chance, I'd say 1 or maybe if we're lucky 2 of them would get in. so I have Mauer / Cabrera / Utley / one or two of the first basemans going in, that's 4 or 5 there. adding in some minor potential from the rest of the group like Damon, I'd say there are 5-6 HOF on that list. if we're lucky.

So that means there are at least 5-6 guys on the young hitter side that has a chance. personally Hanely Ramirez is in Joe Mauer's catagory, unless he have a Nomarsian meltdown he's in. for the rest it's really too hard to tell, none of them have a peak that screams no-doubter. so it depends on how durable they are, I like Robinson Cano's chances due to the combination of health and spotlight. but who knows.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22728 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:11:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22728 Now we know why Sean added those photos to player pages!!

LAUGH!

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22726 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:00:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22726 True. Just yesterday, I heard a couple young girls arguing about whether Ross Youngs or George Kell was hotter. I can't imagine anyone being that excited about Jason Kendall in 50 years! The Baseball HOF's focus should be on appealing to people who aren't really into baseball.

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By: Brendan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22720 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:32:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22720 Kendall in the Hall is laughable. It's called the Hall of Fame; how many people who aren't really into baseball even know who Jason Kendall is? Vizquel doesn't belong there either, despite being a great defender. All I can think of when Vizquel comes up is an old episode of the Simpsons where Bart trades his torn-up Omar Vizquel card for Milhouse's mint-condition Carl Yastrzemski rookie while Milhouse is otherwise occupied making out with a girl.

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By: MikeD http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22690 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:26:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22690 The problem with the HOF Monitor, as you noted, is it's outdated. For one, James created the point system before the massive increase in offense that started in the mid-90s. There was a time when we might have thought that a young player who hit 30 HRs for three or four straight seasons was starting to build a HOF resume. That's no longer the case. Offense seems to be decreasing again and perhaps the HOF Monitor will once again have a bit more relevance, but I don't think it's all that helpful in predicting players from the past 15 years.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6453/comment-page-1#comment-22689 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:25:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6453#comment-22689 JR, I will concede that I cringed a bit when Beltran took that third strike. It just doesn't "look" good to lose a game, or a series, on a called third strike. But it's not the only time it's happened, and an out is an out, and he was more likely than not to get out anyway. The Mets don't even get to that spot without Beltran, who was quite arguably the deserving MVP that season.

Did he only care about himself when he came back to play last September, despite the Mets being hopelessly out of it, and his knee obviously still not healthy? A lot of people would use that as evidence of someone who will do anything for the team, if they weren't already biased against him. I don't remember the details of his off-season surgery and I'm sure you know more about it than I, but microfracture surgery is a pretty risky procedure, so my guess is that he was trying to explore other options before finally proceeding.

As to whether he's worth his contract: it will depend if and how he comes back. So far, I'd say he has certainly been. One MVP-type season, one MVP-type half-season, two very good years, and one subpar season plagued by leg problems. Most big free agents end up being overpaid because they get signed on the back end of their careers. Beltran was awesome when healthy. Injuries are a risk of any 7-year contract.

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