Comments on: Fernando’s Wild Ride to Start ‘85 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639 This and that about baseball stats. Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:38:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639/comment-page-1#comment-4438 Johnny Twisto Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:00:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/639#comment-4438 Well, I had to count them up. Valenuela faced Gooden twice in '84 and thrice in '85. They didn't match up in '86, and after that Fernando was done as an elite pitcher. If I'm counting correctly, in those 5 starts Gooden went 3-1, 1.05, 43 IP, 54 K. Valenzuela went 1-3, 2.44, 44.2 IP, 31 K. No wonder they stuck in my head. Well, I had to count them up. Valenuela faced Gooden twice in '84 and thrice in '85. They didn't match up in '86, and after that Fernando was done as an elite pitcher.

If I'm counting correctly, in those 5 starts Gooden went 3-1, 1.05, 43 IP, 54 K. Valenzuela went 1-3, 2.44, 44.2 IP, 31 K. No wonder they stuck in my head.

]]> By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639/comment-page-1#comment-4434 Raphy Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:41:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/639#comment-4434 I'm sure there's a better way, but since we're dealing with the NL you could use the Batter vs. Pitcher tool. http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/ZcAV (BTW Gooden had more PA's against Valenzuela than any other pitcher) I'm sure there's a better way, but since we're dealing with the NL you could use the Batter vs. Pitcher tool.
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/ZcAV

(BTW Gooden had more PA's against Valenzuela than any other pitcher)

]]> By: savoyspecial http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639/comment-page-1#comment-4433 savoyspecial Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:39:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/639#comment-4433 Well, an imperfect way to identify Gooden vs. Valenzuela games would be to check out one against the other via the "Batter vs. Pitcher" tool. This assumes both pitched long enough for one to record a PA against the other. This generated the following games: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198405110.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198408270.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198505250.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198506040.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198905280.shtml Of course, this is impossible to do in the AL. Well, an imperfect way to identify Gooden vs. Valenzuela games would be to check out one against the other via the "Batter vs. Pitcher" tool. This assumes both pitched long enough for one to record a PA against the other. This generated the following games:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198405110.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198408270.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198505250.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198506040.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198905280.shtml

Of course, this is impossible to do in the AL.

]]> By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639/comment-page-1#comment-4432 Johnny Twisto Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:25:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/639#comment-4432 I remember around '85-'86 it seemed like Gooden and Valenzuela matched up a number of times. Is there any easy way to check that, besides just going through every start Valenzuela had against the Mets one-by-one? (They probably didn't face off that often at all, but it such a big deal when they did that it stuck in my head.) I remember around '85-'86 it seemed like Gooden and Valenzuela matched up a number of times. Is there any easy way to check that, besides just going through every start Valenzuela had against the Mets one-by-one? (They probably didn't face off that often at all, but it such a big deal when they did that it stuck in my head.)

]]> By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639/comment-page-1#comment-4428 Raphy Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:07:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/639#comment-4428 Thank you savoyspecial. I have corrected the information. (I put down the team's record in his games, not his own record.) Thank you savoyspecial. I have corrected the information. (I put down the team's record in his games, not his own record.)

]]> By: savoyspecial http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/639/comment-page-1#comment-4427 savoyspecial Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:58:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/639#comment-4427 Fernando posted a record of 17-10 in 1985. And how about that September 5th game! Two of the best pitchers of the time tossing all those goose eggs in the midst of a pennant race! Fernando posted a record of 17-10 in 1985. And how about that September 5th game! Two of the best pitchers of the time tossing all those goose eggs in the midst of a pennant race!

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