Comments on: One pitcher getting the win and the loss in the same game http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21933 Andy Fri, 28 May 2010 20:58:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21933 Imagine if the phils hadn't dumbly traded fergie Imagine if the phils hadn't dumbly traded fergie

]]> By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21930 Kahuna Tuna Fri, 28 May 2010 20:49:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21930 Joel Youngblood is "probably the only guy in history to have hits against those guys [Carlton and Jenkins] on the same day, unless someone did it in an All-Star game." In the only two years they were both selected to the NL All-Star staff (1971 and 1972), only one of them actually pitched in the game — Jenkins in 1971, Carlton in 1972. Joel Youngblood is "probably the only guy in history to have hits against those guys [Carlton and Jenkins] on the same day, unless someone did it in an All-Star game."

In the only two years they were both selected to the NL All-Star staff (1971 and 1972), only one of them actually pitched in the game — Jenkins in 1971, Carlton in 1972.

]]> By: Bryan Mueller http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21808 Bryan Mueller Thu, 27 May 2010 21:24:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21808 Speaking of fun possibilities, my brothers and I always wondered what games would be like if, instead of 9 innings, only one inning was played with the away team getting 27 outs followed by the home team. I am guessing many games would have scores resembling that of football games. Speaking of fun possibilities, my brothers and I always wondered what games would be like if, instead of 9 innings, only one inning was played with the away team getting 27 outs followed by the home team. I am guessing many games would have scores resembling that of football games.

]]> By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21794 Kahuna Tuna Thu, 27 May 2010 18:50:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21794 <i>I seem to recall someone getting traded between games of a double-header, and thus appeared for two different teams on the same day.</i> This happened with outfielders Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote in between games of a Memorial Day doubleheader between the Cubs and Cardinals in 1922. Flack played <a href="http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1922/B05301CHN1922.htm" rel="nofollow">Game 1</a> for the Cubs and <a href="http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1922/B05302CHN1922.htm" rel="nofollow">Game 2</a> for the Cardinals; Heathcote, the reverse. Both players got hits in the second game after going hitless in the first game. The Mets acquired José Cardenal from the Phillies in between games of a Mets-Phillies doubleheader on August 2, 1979. However, Cardenal did not play in either game of the doubleheader. I seem to recall someone getting traded between games of a double-header, and thus appeared for two different teams on the same day.

This happened with outfielders Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote in between games of a Memorial Day doubleheader between the Cubs and Cardinals in 1922. Flack played Game 1 for the Cubs and Game 2 for the Cardinals; Heathcote, the reverse. Both players got hits in the second game after going hitless in the first game.

The Mets acquired José Cardenal from the Phillies in between games of a Mets-Phillies doubleheader on August 2, 1979. However, Cardenal did not play in either game of the doubleheader.

]]> By: nightfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21746 nightfly Thu, 27 May 2010 14:57:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21746 OK... I am (slightly) in error. He was traded from the Expos to the Giants after the 1982 season. BUT, on August 4 of that year, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN198208040.shtml" rel="nofollow">he singled in two runs</a> for the Mets against the Cubs (heh, according to WPA it was the biggest play of the game!); got traded, flew out to Philly, and came in to play RF in the bottom of the sixth. Then <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI198208040.shtml" rel="nofollow">he singled in the seventh</a>. So it wasn't a pinch hit, and I only got one of the teams right. That's a heck of a day - drive in two runs against Fergie Jenkins and then single off Steve Carlton. He's probably the only guy in history to have hits against those guys on the same day, unless someone did it in an All-Star game. OK... I am (slightly) in error. He was traded from the Expos to the Giants after the 1982 season. BUT, on August 4 of that year, he singled in two runs for the Mets against the Cubs (heh, according to WPA it was the biggest play of the game!); got traded, flew out to Philly, and came in to play RF in the bottom of the sixth. Then he singled in the seventh. So it wasn't a pinch hit, and I only got one of the teams right.

That's a heck of a day - drive in two runs against Fergie Jenkins and then single off Steve Carlton. He's probably the only guy in history to have hits against those guys on the same day, unless someone did it in an All-Star game.

]]> By: nightfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21744 nightfly Thu, 27 May 2010 14:47:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21744 Joel Youngblood is, to my knowledge, the only man to get hits for two different teams in the same day. He singled in a day game, was removed BECAUSE he had been traded, got changed, caught a flight, and then got a pinch-hit for his new team in the late innings. I'm not sure of the day, but I think the teams were Montreal and San Francisco. Joel Youngblood is, to my knowledge, the only man to get hits for two different teams in the same day. He singled in a day game, was removed BECAUSE he had been traded, got changed, caught a flight, and then got a pinch-hit for his new team in the late innings. I'm not sure of the day, but I think the teams were Montreal and San Francisco.

]]> By: Jeff H http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21740 Jeff H Thu, 27 May 2010 14:24:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21740 I seem to recall someone getting traded between games of a double-header, and thus appeared for two different teams on the same day. I seem to recall someone getting traded between games of a double-header, and thus appeared for two different teams on the same day.

]]> By: dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21725 dukeofflatbush Thu, 27 May 2010 12:10:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21725 Sorry, '91 game 7 didn't see Smoltz go 10, but Morris did. 36 years old, a work horse all season/all career pitching a 10 inning complete game 7 shutout. Big time pitcher. You think he had a pitch count?!? Sorry, '91 game 7 didn't see Smoltz go 10, but Morris did. 36 years old, a work horse all season/all career pitching a 10 inning complete game 7 shutout. Big time pitcher. You think he had a pitch count?!?

]]> By: dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21724 dukeofflatbush Thu, 27 May 2010 12:03:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21724 Goof, Davey Johnson was a marvel to watch. Imagine if that didn't work, the crap NYC media would of gave him! When it worked - no one seemed to give him just credit. LaRussa is always heralded as a "genius" for batting the pitcher eighth or hitting McGwire 1st a few games in '98, but no manager today could pull off something so inventive and daring. I think Used sparingly, keeping a lefty/righty combo in the field, while a bit defensively dangerous, should be implented more. It gives the manager so much more options, just hope they don't hit it to left. Managers need to take more chances nowa days. It seems a computer program could manage a game. Bobby Valentine was the last great Iconoclast! Come on, mustachioed disguises!! Ditto for me with the '91 series. The Smoltz/Morris dual 10 inning complete game, the likes of which will likely never be seen again was one for the ages. Goof,
Davey Johnson was a marvel to watch. Imagine if that didn't work, the crap NYC media would of gave him! When it worked - no one seemed to give him just credit. LaRussa is always heralded as a "genius" for batting the pitcher eighth or hitting McGwire 1st a few games in '98, but no manager today could pull off something so inventive and daring. I think Used sparingly, keeping a lefty/righty combo in the field, while a bit defensively dangerous, should be implented more. It gives the manager so much more options, just hope they don't hit it to left. Managers need to take more chances nowa days. It seems a computer program could manage a game. Bobby Valentine was the last great Iconoclast! Come on, mustachioed disguises!!
Ditto for me with the '91 series. The Smoltz/Morris dual 10 inning complete game, the likes of which will likely never be seen again was one for the ages.

]]> By: TheGoof http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6385/comment-page-1#comment-21696 TheGoof Thu, 27 May 2010 04:13:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6385#comment-21696 Duke, one of my all-time favorites. Even besides the Orosco/McDowell thing, that game was a classic. Up there with the Yanks-Mariners Game 2 and Game 5 in 1995, the Tigers-Twins one-game playoff last year, Game 7 in the '91 Series, the Jeter catch in the stands vs. Boston game... Duke, one of my all-time favorites. Even besides the Orosco/McDowell thing, that game was a classic. Up there with the Yanks-Mariners Game 2 and Game 5 in 1995, the Tigers-Twins one-game playoff last year, Game 7 in the '91 Series, the Jeter catch in the stands vs. Boston game...

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