Comments on: Sabermetric Fielding: Adam Everett’s Legendary 2006 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18770 Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:32 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18770 Owen Wilson's 36 triples in 1912 — five more than anyone else ever, and 10 more than anyone post-1900.

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By: Whiz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18763 Fri, 14 May 2010 18:01:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18763 One definition of legendary would be a performance nobody has come close to in any season, not just the same season. Ruth qualifies (hitting more HR in 1920 than any other team). Henderson beat the previous SB record by slightly more than 10%, so that is impressive. But Martinez doesn't really satisfy this criterion (many pitchers had an ERA lower than that in other years). Ron Hunt's 50 HBP in 1971 do fit this description (the next closest in any season was is 35), as does Barry Bonds' 232 walks in 2004 (34 more than the next closest, which was ... Barry Bonds).

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18719 Fri, 14 May 2010 05:37:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18719 If we had better defensive stats, maybe we would see it as on a par with those other seasons. (Or maybe we'd see someone else's season that way, and consider Everett merely "great.") It is hard to revere any single-season defensive performance the way we do with hitting or pitching because we just don't have the confidence or hard numbers needed to understand it.

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By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18701 Thu, 13 May 2010 23:45:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18701 Bonds also broke a record for slugging of 80 years' standing, slugging about 100 points higher than anyone other than Babe Ruth.

Anyway, I take your point, and I'll certainly agree to "magnificent." I object only to the implication that it's on a par with the Ruth/Henderson/Martinez achievements.

And I mean no disrespect to Neil, and thank him for the post.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18682 Thu, 13 May 2010 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18682 It is a bit odd that his best rated season would be when he was 40, but by all accounts Vizquel's glove has aged remarkably well (it's the only reason he still has a job). +/- and UZR also rate his 2007 season very high, his best during the period they are available (since 2003 and 2002, respectively), so that's three different estimates of defensive performance concurring that he was excellent that year. Oddly, he did not win the Gold Glove that season, after winning the previous two (Rollins began his ongoing run). He may not have any other seasons in the top 80, but he does have six other seasons of at least 12 runs above average, which would be considered Gold Glove-type performance.

Gerry, if it was really the best defensive performance of at least the past 60 years, why wouldn't you consider that legendary? Bonds only hit 4% more HR than McGwire, does that mean his 2001 season wasn't legendary? "Legendary" may be the wrong word for Everett, as I don't foresee his being well-remembered in baseball lore, but that's not because he was "only" one run better than the next guy on the list. "Magnificent" seems apt.

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By: Djibouti http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18631 Thu, 13 May 2010 05:34:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18631 I gotta read more into the Total Zone system, but I find it hard to believe that Vizquel only shows up once in the top 80 SS seasons, and it's from the year he was 40.

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By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18600 Wed, 12 May 2010 23:24:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18600 So Everett's 2006 was two-and-a-half percent better than Erstad's 2002. That's legendary? on a par with Ruth/Henderson/Martinez? Fun, yes; nice to learn about, sure; legendary, not so much.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18575 Wed, 12 May 2010 20:19:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18575 Randy Winn's 31 fielding runs above positional average in 2009 nicely mirrors the 30-point dropoff in his OPS+ from 2008 (105 to 75).

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/6000/comment-page-1#comment-18570 Wed, 12 May 2010 19:31:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=6000#comment-18570 Odd that Andy Pettitte didn't pitch nearly as well in '06 as he had in '05. As a lefty groundballer with an average K-rate, one would think he'd benefit from Everett as much as anyone. Looks like most of his problem was on flyballs -- he gave up a career high in HR, and fewer of the ones in play got caught.

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