Comments on: Larry Walker Comps http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Chris J. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594/comment-page-1#comment-4093 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:55:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/594#comment-4093 See, I dunno if that actually will help his chances though. How many outfielders have had their defense really help them in the voting?

Dawson won 8 Gold Gloves. Despite getting over 2700 hits, 400 homers, and winning an MVP, he's still waiting to get in.

Dale Murphy won 5 Gold Gloves while being a fearsome hitter & an MVP. He's ever even come close.

Dave Parker had a trio of GGs, but hasn't even done as well as Murphy.

All those guys have borderline (or better, in the case of Dawson) hitting stats for induction, yet none seem to be getting helped.

Going back a bit, Richie Asburn combined the offensive career line that HoF voters typically love with a superlative defensive reputation in his prime. He had to go in through the VC because the BBWAA took a pass on him.

There's Curt Flood, but his fighting the reserve clause had more to do with his support than his glove, IMHO.

If defense makes a difference for outfielders, it's about 2-3%. They need 75%.

Defense helps at shortstop, catcher, and to a lesser extent second & third bases, but that's about it.

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By: Samurai Sam http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594/comment-page-1#comment-4091 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:14:08 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/594#comment-4091 Walker was an excellent fielder, too. He won 7 Gold Glove Awards. That will certainly help his chances for the hall.

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By: Chris J. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594/comment-page-1#comment-4087 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:34:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/594#comment-4087 Yeah, but of those Hall of Famers, two (DiMaggio & Mize) lost several years to WWII.

That leaves Klein, a controversial choose who got in because of his uber-park inflated stats & that his candidacy was clearly superior to so many Friends of Frisch already in the joint.

Manny Ramirez, Chipper Jones & Vlad Guerrero will both end up far north of Walker's career line. Moises Alou ain't getting in.

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By: whiz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594/comment-page-1#comment-4086 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:25:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/594#comment-4086 If you use b-r's comparable players tool, you get: 1. C. Jones, 2. Snider, 3. Ellis Burks, 4. Dimaggio (!), 5. Moises Alou, 6. Mize, 7. Manny Ramirez, 8. Chuck Klein, 9. Vlad Guerrero, 10. Edgar Martinez.

That's 4 HoFers and maybe another 3 likely ones (Jones, Ramirez, Guerrero), although, as Chris mentioned about Jones, their careers aren't over. Still, these comparisons make it look a little more likely. Of the four on this list who have retired AND have reached HoF eligibility, all are in the HoF. Also, in the PA/OPS+ comparison list, Walker has one of the higher BA's, which could help as well.

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By: David in Toledo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594/comment-page-1#comment-4075 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:04:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/594#comment-4075 Great analysis! I think the most comparable player on the list is Reggie Smith, another "five-tool" right fielder. Smith's best year in 1977 was not quite as good as Walker's 1997, and Reggie's career OPS+ isn't quite as good -- but they're close (in the same part of the ball park).

Reggie got 3 votes for the Hall of Fame in 1988. He is, however, in the Baseball Evolution Hall of Fame.

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By: vonhayes http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/594/comment-page-1#comment-4074 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:57:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/594#comment-4074 The At-Bats list is very telling. It's basically a lot of guys who should have racked up huge numbers, after all they were OPS+'ing in the 140-range for their career, but for whatever reason (mostly injuries and durability issues), they never came close to 9,000 or 10,000 at bats.

You'd think a guy who puts kinds of offensive numbers would continue have value far into his career, especially in the DH-era, but guys like Jack Clark and Larry Walker just kind of fizzled out and left the game early. Clark had a number of good seasons where he hit well but barely played.

And why, oh why, did the other Clark quit?

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