Comments on: More on Jim Edmonds http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16557 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:20:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16557 La Russa had the magic beans.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16556 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:40:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16556 The Angels never seemed to know exactly what to do with Edmonds as a hitter, did they? They batted him fifth a plurality of the time in 1994 (85 OPS+), primarily second in 1995 and 1996 (129 and 137 OPS+, respectively), all over the order in 1997 but in the fourth spot (175 PA) slightly more than second (149 PA) (123 overall OPS+), most often third in 1998 (123 OPS+), and second a majority of the time in an injury-shortened 1999 (95 OPS+). LaRussa moved him around in the order a fair amount too, but gradually transitioned him from the third slot in 2000-2002 to the fourth and fifth slots for the rest of Edmonds' time as a Cardinal, in line not only with the Cards' personnel but with what we perceive now to be Edmonds' primary offensive qualities — good XBH power, little speed, lots of walks and strikeouts. It's worth noting that Edmonds' BB/PA rates went from 8.7% in 1998 to 12.0% in 1999, his last year in Anaheim, to 16.0% in 2000. His BB/PA rate was at least 14.5% every year from 2000 to 2005, coinciding with his best seasons in St. Louis (and was a very good 15.1% during his only season in Chicago).

Did Edmonds just finally have it all come together in St. Louis, or did the Angels coaching staff have a less clear vision of the offensive potential that he could achieve?

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16553 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:39:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16553 Regarding 4.- Andy just include it in your search.
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/aHQNG

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By: Baseball In-Depth http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16552 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:39:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16552 He's 104 hits away from 2000, 17 HR away from 400 and has a .285 average. As of right now, there have been only 14 players to become eligible for the Hall of Fame with a .285 average, 400 HR and 2000 hits (Aaron, Ruth, Mays, F. Robinson, Mantle, Foxx, T. Williams, Ott, Murray, Gehrig, Musial, Yaz, B. Williams, Snider) and they're all in the Hall of Fame. We'll have to wait and see about the more recent retirees (Bagwell, Palmiero, Bonds, Piazza, F. Thomas).

It's an interesting call, because he had 8 gold gloves, but only placed in the top 5 in MVP voting twice. This unexpected resurgence makes it a possibility, and if he gets to 400 home runs and keeps his average up, I think he has a good chance someday.

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By: Adam http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16548 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:58:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16548 Check out the analysis of Jimmy's hall of fame changes on BeyondtheBoxscore and Play a Hard Nine. They certainly changed my mind. I now 100% think he belongs in the hall of fame. Take a step away from your initial judgement, look at his numbers, remember he was a center fielder, and though not as great defensively as it initially seemed, a pretty damn good defensive center fielder. Sure, he was no Ken Griffy Jr...but who was?!? He is right on par with Duke Snider and had a better peak that Kirby Puckett.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16547 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:32:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16547 How did you figure that, JT?

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16545 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:29:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16545 Edmonds is 9th in OPS+ (8th if you disregard Lajoie).

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16543 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:36:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16543 Heh--I did mention this in the original post.

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By: Pitchers Hit Eighth http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5577/comment-page-1#comment-16541 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:33:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5577#comment-16541 Yeah, but this chart also doesn't include diving catches made after purposely lolly-gagging after a fly ball... 😉

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