Comments on: Slow Red Sox and Yankees http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Sports Geek http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15914 Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:57:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15914 See my comment from about 2 1/2 weeks ago about my game duration analysis:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/03/22/spring-training-game-20-yankees-at-phillies/#comment-1262062

My analysis looked at various factors, and found that “pitch count” was the most significant individual variable affecting game duration..
I am looking to extend the analysis to develop a multi-variable model- for example, pitches and runs, or pitches and "Major TV", or pitches and "mid-inning pitching changes". Right now I am creating the extensive database needed to do this analysis.

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By: Zachary http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15906 Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:44:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15906 The charge is accurate, but saying that they are embarrassing and pathetic crosses the line. They're the two best teams in the league - which is why they take so long - and they put on rather dramatic shows. Sure, the game's take forever, but they're of excellent quality. Neither team deserves such harsh remarks.

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By: statboy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15897 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:38:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15897 From here.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a4WDS26ViYms

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15896 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:52:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15896 Where did you get that data, statboy?

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By: statboy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15895 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:47:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15895 The Yankees averaged 3:08 (longest in MLB) last year, and the Red Sox 3:04 (#2). The MLB average was 2:52.

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By: Carl http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15890 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:25:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15890 Doesn't help that West himself squeezed the hell out of the pitchers.
http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/04/08/no-sooner-said-then-we-get-this-crap/

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15889 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:22:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15889 You raise an interesting point. If the innings move by more quickly but the commercials stay the same, then watching a game now has a larger fraction of time taken up by commercials than before. I'm not sure if the average viewer would really care.

Here's the problem. Let's say something happened that did speed up the game--either rules about stepping out of the box were changed, or the strike zone was widened--something, and the innings went by more quickly. MLB and its teams aren't going to want to shorten the commercial breaks because of the loss of revenue. But if they took out one commercial break per half inning, that would shorten the game by about 10 minutes. If the game action itself can be shortened by 10 minutes and the commercials shortened by 10 minutes, then overall game length would decrease by 20 minutes, or about 10% of the current length of an average game. In all likelihood, TV ratings would go up, meaning they could charge a bit more for each commercial, and hopefully have TV revenues remain unchanged. But things never happen that way--I doubt they would ever be willing to give up commercials at the start in the hopes in increasing ratings.

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By: Djibouti http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15888 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:13:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15888 That would speed up the game but it wouldn't fix the "problem". The most often cited complaint of baseball is that the game is boring. I think this stems from two factors:
1. length of game
2. amount of "action"
If you increase the strike zone, you shorten the game by lessening the total amount of pitches, but you also make problem 2 even worse because now the ratio of action time to standing around time has increased. Here I'm defining 'standing around time' as any time when the ball isn't in play. This includes commercials, mound conferences, timeouts while the pitcher/batter mulls about, time it takes to accept a sign and eventually deliver the pitch, etc. Granted less pitches would lead to less of all these things, but not at equal rates.

Every team has a few players who take a bit too much time between pitches either adjusting their gloves or walking circles around the mound. It just seems lately that all (or at least most) of the Yankees and Red Sox players do this.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15884 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:27:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15884 Of course, if the umpires called just a slightly wider strike zone, it would speed up games quite a bit. Not only would more strikes be called, but players would swing more often (knowing that pitches are more likely to be called strikes.)

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By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5353/comment-page-1#comment-15883 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:24:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-15883 There is a sortable "Time" column on the team's schedule and results page:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2009-schedule-scores.shtml

I don't know how one could add this to other charts which include pitch count data.

It would be interesting to see how strong of a correlation there is between pitch counts and game length. Certainly there would be a correlation, but just as important would be the pace in which these pitches were thrown. Some pitchers start their next wind-up almost immediately after they get the ball back from the catcher while other pitchers pace around the mound for a bit between every pitch. Some batters often do the same thing. They'll step out of the box and re-adjust their gloves as often as they can.

I don't think West's complain was tied specifically to scoring a lot of runs and working long counts, but it was tied to these other avoidable factors.

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