Comments on: Walk-off balks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11205 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:26:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11205 At the very least, the rule should be pared down and made more consistent.

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By: Tomepp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11200 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:38:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11200 An old curmudgeon, but I've got to agree with DoubleDiamond. The "logic" behind the call is to prevent the pitcher from dekeing a baserunner and throwing him out. But [a] there's no rule preventing other fielders from tricking the runner (e.g. the old "hidden ball trick"), and [b] there's a safe place for the runner - touching the base! There is no rule that requires baserunners to get a lead; if the runner wants to play it safe, just stay on the bag until the pitch heads towards home plate.

If they got rid of the balk rule, there would be fewer stolen bases (only really good base stealers would try to get good leads and steal bases), and more importantly fewer throws to first to hold the runner. If the Commissioner really wants to explore ways to speed up the game, here's a good one!

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11199 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:26:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11199 Somehow, a win via a balk cheapens things for me. I have only been a fan, not a player, and I don't understand why balks are even called.

And in some instances, the called balk came as a result of something beyond the player's control. The most famous one occurred in an early 1960s All-Star Game in Candlestick Park in which Stu Miller (supposedly a fairly light weight - literally speaking - player) got blown off the mound, and a balk was called. Would love to see that on video, if it exists! Since San Francisco's current top pitcher, Tim Lincecum, is also literally lightweight, it's a good thing the team is not playing in "The Stick" any more. Of course, the new ballpark may be subject to similar problems.

I remember seeing a game on T.V. in the 1990s in which a pitcher dropped the ball in mid-windup, clearly accidentally, and a balk was called. If I remember correctly, the pitcher was Mark Portugal. Since it was a game I saw on T.V., and I watched a lot of Braves games on T.V., it was possibly this game:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU199305100.shtml

Incidentally, I finally signed up for a subscription to the PlayIndex yesterday, and this was the first use I made of it for a comment post for this blog. Remembering that Portugal was probably the pitcher, I searched for a game log of all of his balks. He had seven in his career, none of which came in a game in which he was the losing pitcher! Five of them were in games he started. He had two wins and three no decisions in these starts. His team went 2-1 in the no decisions starts. In his two relief appearances, his team went 0-2, but he didn't figure in the decisions, nor did he get any blown saves or blown holds.

The balk in the referenced game put a runner in scoring position with nobody out, and indeed a single was hit one out later with that runner still on second. However, the runner who had advanced on the balk was thrown out at home while trying to score on that hit.

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By: SJBlonger http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11189 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:55:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11189 A run of the Retrosheet database confirms this is the complete list, 1954-2008 (12 games), all identified above. I haven't imported 2009 yet.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN196504280.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT196506080.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU197304290.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT197809292.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS198607100.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN198905280.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL199307040.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL200004280.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/FLO/FLO200005080.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200404190.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200507150.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200809090.shtml

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11185 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:36:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11185 back to back to lose the championship.
July 22, 1962
http://www.wezen-ball.com/2010-articles/january/calculating-charlie-browns-wins-losses-a-other-stats-the-1960s.html

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By: Michael http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11183 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:04:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11183 Charlie Brown balked in the winning run one time in Peanuts.....

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By: Gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11181 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:15:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11181 Credit for the list in #2 should go to one particular SABR member, Harold Mortimer.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11165 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:00:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11165 Fair enough, statboy 🙂

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By: statboy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11164 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:59:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11164 Walk-off balks? C'mon guys...they're called balk-offs! 🙂

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/4487/comment-page-1#comment-11162 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:16:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=4487#comment-11162 As for starters- I check all the games since 1954 in which a visiting starter:
1) Allowed a balk
2) Pitched a cg
3) pitched in the 9th inning or beyond.
4) Lost by only 1 run

None of those games ended in a balk.

Unless I missed something, that means that since 1954, there have been 12 walk-off balks.

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