Comments on: National League MVP results http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: damthesehigheels http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2320 damthesehigheels Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:45:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2320 its odd to me that people are using the stat of 'most outs made' without actually thinking about what they are talking about. he was just outside of the top 5 in times on base (the leader board only shows the top 5 and if i counted correctly he is only 4 off the 5th place person).. right or wrong (rightly so in my opinion) every player from Colorado will always face this type of problem... because look at Hollidays home/road splits. if you double his road numbers and pretend thats a full season hes a .300/20/100 guy. big whoop! its amazing to me that after what, 15 years in the league? that some people dont yet realize what playing 81 games in colorado does for a player.... its odd to me that people are using the stat of 'most outs made' without actually thinking about what they are talking about. he was just outside of the top 5 in times on base (the leader board only shows the top 5 and if i counted correctly he is only 4 off the 5th place person)..

right or wrong (rightly so in my opinion) every player from Colorado will always face this type of problem... because look at Hollidays home/road splits. if you double his road numbers and pretend thats a full season hes a .300/20/100 guy. big whoop!

its amazing to me that after what, 15 years in the league? that some people dont yet realize what playing 81 games in colorado does for a player....

]]> By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2308 Andy Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:28:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2308 Yeah...to tell you the truth, I think Rollins should have finished 1st in the SOTD poll. A few readers completely left him off their ballots, and he got a 9th-place and 10th-place vote. I can't understand him getting any votes lower than 5th (which indeed holds true with the real voting.) If all his votes below 5th (and non-votes) were pushed up to 5th place, he would have won. Yeah...to tell you the truth, I think Rollins should have finished 1st in the SOTD poll. A few readers completely left him off their ballots, and he got a 9th-place and 10th-place vote. I can't understand him getting any votes lower than 5th (which indeed holds true with the real voting.) If all his votes below 5th (and non-votes) were pushed up to 5th place, he would have won.

]]> By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2306 kingturtle Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:51:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2306 By the way, that 380 TBs by Rollins is the 6th most for a Phillie in a season. Only Chuck Klein, Lefty O'Doul and Ryan Howard had more in a season. 380 is more than Mike Schmidt or Dick Allen ever had in a season. Rollins did this playing 85% of his games in the lead off position. He scored 139 runs. I suppose that isn't enough for some of you :) By the way, that 380 TBs by Rollins is the 6th most for a Phillie in a season. Only Chuck Klein, Lefty O'Doul and Ryan Howard had more in a season. 380 is more than Mike Schmidt or Dick Allen ever had in a season.

Rollins did this playing 85% of his games in the lead off position. He scored 139 runs. I suppose that isn't enough for some of you :)

]]> By: David in Toledo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2305 David in Toledo Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:05:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2305 Thanks for conducting our vote and writing up the comparison! I second vonhayes's comments. Jimmy Rollins certainly is a worthy candidate, but despite all his virtues, I have a hard time awarding him #1 when he was 47th in on-base percentage. Yes, he picked up bases with steals and extra-base power, but he also led the league in batter outs. Thanks for conducting our vote and writing up the comparison!

I second vonhayes's comments. Jimmy Rollins certainly is a worthy candidate, but despite all his virtues, I have a hard time awarding him #1 when he was 47th in on-base percentage. Yes, he picked up bases with steals and extra-base power, but he also led the league in batter outs.

]]> By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2304 Andy Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:01:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2304 I don't know about being an All-star and MVP in the same season, but I believe that Kirk Gibson, 1988 NL MVP, is the only MVP since the existence of the All-Star game to NEVER have made an All-star team in his entire career. In the back of my mind, I think there might be one other example of this as well, but I can't come up with it. I don't know about being an All-star and MVP in the same season, but I believe that Kirk Gibson, 1988 NL MVP, is the only MVP since the existence of the All-Star game to NEVER have made an All-star team in his entire career. In the back of my mind, I think there might be one other example of this as well, but I can't come up with it.

]]> By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2303 kingturtle Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:44:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2303 Rollins won the Gold Glove at shortstop, and was 2nd in the league in total bases. That's an awesome combo. How many lead off hitters have placed 2nd in total bases? I am curious. P.S. Interestingly, he did not make the All-Star team. How many MVPs did not make the All-Star team? Rollins won the Gold Glove at shortstop, and was 2nd in the league in total bases. That's an awesome combo.

How many lead off hitters have placed 2nd in total bases? I am curious.

P.S. Interestingly, he did not make the All-Star team. How many MVPs did not make the All-Star team?

]]> By: vonhayes http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/434/comment-page-1#comment-2302 vonhayes Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:56:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/434#comment-2302 Yeah great job, except for, I think, the BBWAA. Rollins was the 2nd best player on his team. If he'd somehow made the most outs in the league while hitting 65 HR with a 185 OPS+, maybe you could still say he's the most valuable player, but that wasn't the case. Just an awful MVP pick. There are other huge problems, but I think Prince Fielder and Ryan Howard being 3rd and 5th are the most glaring, especially with Pujols ending up in 9th. I won't even get into the whole Mets collapse and its staggering affect on David Wright's stature in the minds of the baseball writers. I had issues with our voting results (and my own ballot, admittedly), but being that it wasn't "official" and I didn't have a lot of time to research it, I could live with it. It was fun. But these are baseball writers. It's their job to be informed about these things and they don't even know where to start. Yeah great job, except for, I think, the BBWAA.

Rollins was the 2nd best player on his team. If he'd somehow made the most outs in the league while hitting 65 HR with a 185 OPS+, maybe you could still say he's the most valuable player, but that wasn't the case. Just an awful MVP pick.

There are other huge problems, but I think Prince Fielder and Ryan Howard being 3rd and 5th are the most glaring, especially with Pujols ending up in 9th. I won't even get into the whole Mets collapse and its staggering affect on David Wright's stature in the minds of the baseball writers.

I had issues with our voting results (and my own ballot, admittedly), but being that it wasn't "official" and I didn't have a lot of time to research it, I could live with it. It was fun. But these are baseball writers. It's their job to be informed about these things and they don't even know where to start.

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