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	<title>Comments on: Best all-around seasons of all time</title>
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		<title>By: fabio</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/301/comment-page-1#comment-4199</link>
		<dc:creator>fabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. The term &#039;All-around&#039; needs to be defined. I am guessing it should encompass the measures of all the basic talents of the game - 
1) Getting on base (OBP), 
2) Hitting for power (SLG), 
3) Situational hitting (RISP/ROB, Late&amp;Close) - This is harder to quantify, 
4) Running the bases (SB, CS, GIDP, OOB (outs on basepaths), XBA (extra bases advanced), - which can be base/out extensions to OBP &amp; SLG
5) Fielding - again hard to quantify, partly because the state of fielding stats are still mostly in baseball&#039;s stone age, and partly because it&#039;s harder to parse and assign responsibility for unsuccessful events.
Obviously Pitchers have to be rated separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. The term 'All-around' needs to be defined. I am guessing it should encompass the measures of all the basic talents of the game -<br />
1) Getting on base (OBP),<br />
2) Hitting for power (SLG),<br />
3) Situational hitting (RISP/ROB, Late&amp;Close) - This is harder to quantify,<br />
4) Running the bases (SB, CS, GIDP, OOB (outs on basepaths), XBA (extra bases advanced), - which can be base/out extensions to OBP &amp; SLG<br />
5) Fielding - again hard to quantify, partly because the state of fielding stats are still mostly in baseball's stone age, and partly because it's harder to parse and assign responsibility for unsuccessful events.<br />
Obviously Pitchers have to be rated separately.</p>
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		<title>By: kpetrie4</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/301/comment-page-1#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>kpetrie4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s true, but if you look at all of Thomas&#039; seasons (besides &#039;94) between 1991 and 2000, he averaged about 540 at bats.  in &#039;94 he only got like 389 or something, if you project his numbers over his average abs from the other seasons, you still come up with like 55 hrs and 140 rbi.  Either way, it&#039;s pretty difficult to agnore his and griffey&#039;s shortened season on a list of the top offensive seasons since &#039;87.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that's true, but if you look at all of Thomas' seasons (besides '94) between 1991 and 2000, he averaged about 540 at bats.  in '94 he only got like 389 or something, if you project his numbers over his average abs from the other seasons, you still come up with like 55 hrs and 140 rbi.  Either way, it's pretty difficult to agnore his and griffey's shortened season on a list of the top offensive seasons since '87.</p>
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		<title>By: vonhayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>vonhayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 1994

For some reason, I had purposely been leaving those seasons out because they were shortened, but if you look closely, Thomas actually did have 500 plate appearances that year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 1994</p>
<p>For some reason, I had purposely been leaving those seasons out because they were shortened, but if you look closely, Thomas actually did have 500 plate appearances that year.</p>
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		<title>By: kingturtle</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/301/comment-page-1#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>kingturtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using my rating system, here are the most dominant offensive seasons since 1987. 

2000 Helton 10, 9, 10, 10, 6.5, 0 = 45.5
1993 Bonds 7, 9, 10, 10, 9, 0 = 45
1994 Bagwell 9, 10, 10, 10, 6, 0 = 45
1994 Thomas 8, 10, 8, 7.5, 10, 0 = 43.5
1995 E Martinez 10, 9.5, 8, 7, 9, 0 = 43.5
2005 A Rodriguez 9, 10, 9, 7, 8, 0 = 43
2001 Sosa 3, 10, 10, 10, 9, 0 = 42
1992 F Thomas 8, 9, 7, 8, 9.5, 0 =41.5
1990 R Henderson 9, 10, 5, 0, 7, 10 = 41
2003 Helton 9, 9, 9, 5, 8.5, 0 = 40.5
2005 Pujols 9, 10, 9, 8.5, 5, 0 = 40.5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using my rating system, here are the most dominant offensive seasons since 1987. </p>
<p>2000 Helton 10, 9, 10, 10, 6.5, 0 = 45.5<br />
1993 Bonds 7, 9, 10, 10, 9, 0 = 45<br />
1994 Bagwell 9, 10, 10, 10, 6, 0 = 45<br />
1994 Thomas 8, 10, 8, 7.5, 10, 0 = 43.5<br />
1995 E Martinez 10, 9.5, 8, 7, 9, 0 = 43.5<br />
2005 A Rodriguez 9, 10, 9, 7, 8, 0 = 43<br />
2001 Sosa 3, 10, 10, 10, 9, 0 = 42<br />
1992 F Thomas 8, 9, 7, 8, 9.5, 0 =41.5<br />
1990 R Henderson 9, 10, 5, 0, 7, 10 = 41<br />
2003 Helton 9, 9, 9, 5, 8.5, 0 = 40.5<br />
2005 Pujols 9, 10, 9, 8.5, 5, 0 = 40.5</p>
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		<title>By: kpetrie4</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/301/comment-page-1#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator>kpetrie4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason these two amazing season always get left out of the discussion all the time, Frank Thomas MVP year of 1994 and Ken Griffey that same season, lets take a look 

Griffey .323, .674 slg, 40 hrs, 90 rbi, 94 runs 
Thomas .353, .729 slg, 38 hrs, 101 rbi, 106 runs 

Pretty good on first glance, then you remember they both got shorted out of two months because of the strike.  They played in 111 and 113 games respectively.  Now look at their numbers projected out over the whole season: 

Griffey .323, .674 slg, 58 hrs, 131 rbi, 137 runs 
Thomas .353, .729 slg, 54 hrs, 145 rbi, 152 runs 

that&#039;s like 2 guys having better seasons offensive seasons in the same year than a rod is this year.  

the only comproble seasons in recent history in terms of all-around offensive output with those power numbers and average are; 
Bonds &#039;01, Sosa &#039;98 and &#039;01, and A-rod this year 

just throwin&#039; it out there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason these two amazing season always get left out of the discussion all the time, Frank Thomas MVP year of 1994 and Ken Griffey that same season, lets take a look </p>
<p>Griffey .323, .674 slg, 40 hrs, 90 rbi, 94 runs<br />
Thomas .353, .729 slg, 38 hrs, 101 rbi, 106 runs </p>
<p>Pretty good on first glance, then you remember they both got shorted out of two months because of the strike.  They played in 111 and 113 games respectively.  Now look at their numbers projected out over the whole season: </p>
<p>Griffey .323, .674 slg, 58 hrs, 131 rbi, 137 runs<br />
Thomas .353, .729 slg, 54 hrs, 145 rbi, 152 runs </p>
<p>that's like 2 guys having better seasons offensive seasons in the same year than a rod is this year.  </p>
<p>the only comproble seasons in recent history in terms of all-around offensive output with those power numbers and average are;<br />
Bonds '01, Sosa '98 and '01, and A-rod this year </p>
<p>just throwin' it out there</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/301/comment-page-1#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I like your system.</description>
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		<title>By: kingturtle</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/301/comment-page-1#comment-869</link>
		<dc:creator>kingturtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My posting here is very late, and I wonder if anyone will read this at all. 

As part of the quest many of us share to try to determine who the best player in history is, I came up with a simple formula. Similar to the idea behind OPS+, the idea here is to judge a player&#039;s season performance along side players of the same year in the same league. My last name being BROWN, I call this the Brown Index.

My formula considers what place in a particular season a player finishes in BA, R, TB, RBI, BB and SB. Which players in which seasons dominated these categories the most? By finishing first in a category, the player receives 10 points; by finishing third, the player receives 8 points; by finishing tenth, the player receives 1 point; by finishing tied for first, the player receives 9.5 points. 

I&#039;ll use Mantle&#039;s 1957 season as an example: 2nd in BA (9 points), 1st in R (10 points), 2nd in TB (9 points), 6th in RBIs (5 points), 1st in BB (10 points), 4th in SB (7 points), for a total of 50 points. 

Over the past few years I&#039;ve compiled all AL and NL seasons by hand, so I may have made some errors, but as far as I can tell, 50 or more points in the Brown Index has only happened about 16 times. 

So, who had the best all-around season of all time?

1915 Cobb 10, 10, 10, 8, 8, 10 = 56
1910 Magee 10, 10, 10, 10, 8, 7 = 55
1963 Aaron 8, 10, 10, 10, 8, 9 = 55
1909 Cobb 10, 10, 10, 10, 3.5, 10 = 53.5
1910 Cobb 9, 10, 9, 9, 7, 9 = 53
1956 Mantle 10, 10, 10, 10, 9, 4 = 53
1932 Klein 8, 10, 10, 9, 5.5, 10 = 52.5
1904 Wagner 10, 8.5, 10, 7, 6.5, 10 = 52
1908 Wagner = 50
1911 Cobb = 50
1921 Ruth = 50
1933 Klein = 50
1942 Williams = 50
1947 Williams = 50
1957 Mantle = 50
1958 Mays = 50</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My posting here is very late, and I wonder if anyone will read this at all. </p>
<p>As part of the quest many of us share to try to determine who the best player in history is, I came up with a simple formula. Similar to the idea behind OPS+, the idea here is to judge a player's season performance along side players of the same year in the same league. My last name being BROWN, I call this the Brown Index.</p>
<p>My formula considers what place in a particular season a player finishes in BA, R, TB, RBI, BB and SB. Which players in which seasons dominated these categories the most? By finishing first in a category, the player receives 10 points; by finishing third, the player receives 8 points; by finishing tenth, the player receives 1 point; by finishing tied for first, the player receives 9.5 points. </p>
<p>I'll use Mantle's 1957 season as an example: 2nd in BA (9 points), 1st in R (10 points), 2nd in TB (9 points), 6th in RBIs (5 points), 1st in BB (10 points), 4th in SB (7 points), for a total of 50 points. </p>
<p>Over the past few years I've compiled all AL and NL seasons by hand, so I may have made some errors, but as far as I can tell, 50 or more points in the Brown Index has only happened about 16 times. </p>
<p>So, who had the best all-around season of all time?</p>
<p>1915 Cobb 10, 10, 10, 8, 8, 10 = 56<br />
1910 Magee 10, 10, 10, 10, 8, 7 = 55<br />
1963 Aaron 8, 10, 10, 10, 8, 9 = 55<br />
1909 Cobb 10, 10, 10, 10, 3.5, 10 = 53.5<br />
1910 Cobb 9, 10, 9, 9, 7, 9 = 53<br />
1956 Mantle 10, 10, 10, 10, 9, 4 = 53<br />
1932 Klein 8, 10, 10, 9, 5.5, 10 = 52.5<br />
1904 Wagner 10, 8.5, 10, 7, 6.5, 10 = 52<br />
1908 Wagner = 50<br />
1911 Cobb = 50<br />
1921 Ruth = 50<br />
1933 Klein = 50<br />
1942 Williams = 50<br />
1947 Williams = 50<br />
1957 Mantle = 50<br />
1958 Mays = 50</p>
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		<title>By: AMusingFool</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Cobb, 1909.  Definitely amazing.  I find myself wondering, though, how many of those nine homers were of the inside-the-park variety.  In a similar vein, re: Babe&#039;s triples... Don&#039;t forget that triples were a power stat back then, not a speed one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Cobb, 1909.  Definitely amazing.  I find myself wondering, though, how many of those nine homers were of the inside-the-park variety.  In a similar vein, re: Babe's triples... Don't forget that triples were a power stat back then, not a speed one.</p>
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		<title>By: mhowes</title>
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		<dc:creator>mhowes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Reds are my favorite team and Morgan one of the best 2B to ever play the game and taking into account position adjustments I still don&#039;t think I can consider seasons like his instead of seasons like one of the 9 seasons a player has produced over 200 Run Created

Ruth&#039;s 1921 season? Gehrig&#039;s 1927 season? Bonds 2001 season? Foxx&#039;s 1932 season? or Hornsby&#039;s 1922 season. 

A quick comparison looking at BP&#039;s Batting Runs (BRAA)
BRAA 
137 Bonds 2001
107 Ruth 1921
102 Gehrig 1927
 89 Foxx 1932
 86 Hornsby 1922
 75 Morgan 1976
 71 Morgan 1975

lets adjust that for position
RARP
145.4 Bonds
120.6 Ruth
118.1 Hornsby
115.6 Gehrig
100.7 Foxx
 96.8 Morgan 1976
 92.1 Morgan 1975

 this is by no means a complete list I just picked the first instance of each player who generated over 200 RC in a season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Reds are my favorite team and Morgan one of the best 2B to ever play the game and taking into account position adjustments I still don't think I can consider seasons like his instead of seasons like one of the 9 seasons a player has produced over 200 Run Created</p>
<p>Ruth's 1921 season? Gehrig's 1927 season? Bonds 2001 season? Foxx's 1932 season? or Hornsby's 1922 season. </p>
<p>A quick comparison looking at BP's Batting Runs (BRAA)<br />
BRAA<br />
137 Bonds 2001<br />
107 Ruth 1921<br />
102 Gehrig 1927<br />
 89 Foxx 1932<br />
 86 Hornsby 1922<br />
 75 Morgan 1976<br />
 71 Morgan 1975</p>
<p>lets adjust that for position<br />
RARP<br />
145.4 Bonds<br />
120.6 Ruth<br />
118.1 Hornsby<br />
115.6 Gehrig<br />
100.7 Foxx<br />
 96.8 Morgan 1976<br />
 92.1 Morgan 1975</p>
<p> this is by no means a complete list I just picked the first instance of each player who generated over 200 RC in a season.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. Although it&#039;s obvious, I still find it hard to internalize that 9 HR led the league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Although it's obvious, I still find it hard to internalize that 9 HR led the league.</p>
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