Comments on: B.C. – Before (Aroldis) Chapman http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675/comment-page-1#comment-9207 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 04:28:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2675#comment-9207 I remember thinking Baez was promising as a starter and I thought he should have been left in the rotation. Checking his 2002 numbers, they seem solid. Not sure why you classify it as a flop. But it's true he never lived up to the hype.

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By: Djibouti http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675/comment-page-1#comment-9205 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:36:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2675#comment-9205 I was still living in Cleveland back in '99 when they signed Danys Baez so I remember the hype surrounding him. He was a young fireballer and supposedly had a large upside. In his first season in '01 he was basically unhittable. Then the Indians tried to turn him into a starter and he flopped. Then they sent him back to the bullpen (with a brief stint as closer) and he improved a bit, but was still below expectations. They shipped him off to Tampa Bay where he had a mini come-back before falling apart again. I saw him pitch for Baltimore earlier this year and he looked ok; not great, not bad. So by ERA+ he may look like the 2nd best pitcher in the group, but he never had near the consistency of say El Duque, and he fell well short of the hype.

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By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675/comment-page-1#comment-9198 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:09:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2675#comment-9198 Yeah, I shouldn't have been so colloquial. Adrian Hernandez was coming up in the Yankees system when Orlando Hernandez was in their rotation. Same homeland, same surname, so he got the similar nickname. They don't look anything alike and I'm pretty sure they are not related. It's possible he was only hyped up around NY _because_ of the nickname, and the baseball world at large never thought he was much of a prospect. His great claim to fame was bowing out of a start with a stomach ailment in 2002, leaving Clemens to start on 3 days' rest and preventing El Duquecito from ever earning his team's respect.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675/comment-page-1#comment-9196 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:31:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2675#comment-9196 I just made good use of the Search box to look up a nickname. Maybe it's because I intentionally don't pay close attention to the Yankees, figuring I'm going to hear about their guys anyway, but the nickname "El Duquecito" didn't mean anything to me. Just in case any of you are wondering, typing "El Duquecito" into the Search box brings up the page for Adrian Hernandez, who is indeed near the bottom of the above list. Two of his three brief periods of winless major league service were spent with the Yankees, which the third one was with the Brewers.

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By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675/comment-page-1#comment-9193 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:19:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2675#comment-9193 I'm not sure what conclusions we can draw from this. I think the sample is too small. A lot of these guys were old by the time they got here. Livan Hernandez has had a solid career. El Duque was a very good pitcher. I am sure Contreras is older than listed; despite maddening inconsistency he had some stretches of excellent pitching. Soler and El Duquecito are probably the only real busts. Arocha and Prieto were considered major disappointments but their performance wasn't terrible. I don't even recognize a lot of these names, so I don't think they had high expectations. I wonder if this list looks all that different than one of pitchers born in Ohio over the same period?

OK, I actually looked it up. Ohio is about the same population as Cuba but has 6 times as many pitchers, one of them being Roger Clemens. The weighted average of their ERA+ is 104, Cuba's has been 99. (Not the best way of comparing them, but quick & easy.)

I saw Chapman during the WBC, and he sure has some arm.

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