Comments on: Worst-slugging cleanup hitters http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2513 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Joe Posnanski » Blog Archive » Almost Impossible to Believe http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2513/comment-page-1#comment-9097 Joe Posnanski » Blog Archive » Almost Impossible to Believe Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:59:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2513#comment-9097 [...] probably saw this in the Baseball Reference Blog — and it boggles the mind. They list off what the cleanup hitters have done for all 30 teams. [...] [...] probably saw this in the Baseball Reference Blog — and it boggles the mind. They list off what the cleanup hitters have done for all 30 teams. [...]

]]> By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2513/comment-page-1#comment-9084 Andy Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:40:06 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2513#comment-9084 Good points JT. Sean's going to have to look into that. Good points JT. Sean's going to have to look into that.

]]> By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2513/comment-page-1#comment-9083 JohnnyTwisto Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:37:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2513#comment-9083 Why does the table rank the teams from #2 to #31? Also, the link to "view original table" doesn't work. I assume all the information is already posted here, but I don't know if that's a kink in the Share program or what. Why does the table rank the teams from #2 to #31?

Also, the link to "view original table" doesn't work. I assume all the information is already posted here, but I don't know if that's a kink in the Share program or what.

]]> By: spartanbill http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2513/comment-page-1#comment-9081 spartanbill Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:04:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2513#comment-9081 The 3 biggest perpratators of this are Mike Jacobs (49 starts); Jose Guillen (49) and Mark Teahen (26). A;ll three of them 3 of them did markedly better in other positions in the order. Why would Jacobs slug a pathetic .290 in the 4 hole, but a powerful .628 while batting 6th? Guillen slugged over 100 points better in the 5 hole. And Teahen was 251 points better as a 5-hitter. Now individually the game totals were smaller samples, but over the course of a season this is incredible. I wish I had the time to look at this on a game by game basis, but my gut feeling points at least a share of the suspicion on Trey Hillman. Are these players being miscast given the opposing pitcher and other variables? ------------------Games---BA-----OBP-----SLG-----OPS Jacobs in 4 slot--(49)---.219 .289 .290 .578 Jacobs in 6 spot -(31)---.289 .353 .628 .981 Jacobs overall---(102)---.235 .301 .412 .714 Guillen in 4 slot-(49)---.210 .281 .337 .618 Guillen in 5 slot-(27)---.315 .390 .446 .836 Guillen overall---(78)---.242 .314 .367 .681 Teahen in 4 slot--(26)---.212 .259 .288 .547 Teahen in 5 slot--(27)---.392 .438 .539 .977 Teahen Overall---(129)---.274 .328 .411 .739 The 3 biggest perpratators of this are Mike Jacobs (49 starts); Jose Guillen (49) and Mark Teahen (26). A;ll three of them 3 of them did markedly better in other positions in the order. Why would Jacobs slug a pathetic .290 in the 4 hole, but a powerful .628 while batting 6th? Guillen slugged over 100 points better in the 5 hole. And Teahen was 251 points better as a 5-hitter.

Now individually the game totals were smaller samples, but over the course of a season this is incredible.
I wish I had the time to look at this on a game by game basis, but my gut feeling points at least a share of the suspicion on Trey Hillman. Are these players being miscast given the opposing pitcher and other variables?

------------------Games---BA-----OBP-----SLG-----OPS
Jacobs in 4 slot--(49)---.219 .289 .290 .578
Jacobs in 6 spot -(31)---.289 .353 .628 .981
Jacobs overall---(102)---.235 .301 .412 .714

Guillen in 4 slot-(49)---.210 .281 .337 .618
Guillen in 5 slot-(27)---.315 .390 .446 .836
Guillen overall---(78)---.242 .314 .367 .681

Teahen in 4 slot--(26)---.212 .259 .288 .547
Teahen in 5 slot--(27)---.392 .438 .539 .977
Teahen Overall---(129)---.274 .328 .411 .739

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2513/comment-page-1#comment-9080 obsessivegiantscompulsive Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:40:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2513#comment-9080 Had to take a look at this since the Giants have Molina as our clean-up hitter. Only 2 NL teams worse in OPS, and 7 worse in the Majors. Amazingly, the Giants are not the worse in OBP, as Molina don't like to take walks but swings a good bat otherwise. Had to take a look at this since the Giants have Molina as our clean-up hitter. Only 2 NL teams worse in OPS, and 7 worse in the Majors. Amazingly, the Giants are not the worse in OBP, as Molina don't like to take walks but swings a good bat otherwise.

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