Comments on: The Face of a Franchise – Most PA’s for 1 Franchise http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2439 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2439/comment-page-1#comment-8943 JohnnyTwisto Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:16:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-8943 Oops, forgot to list Al Simmons, also in his prime. Oops, forgot to list Al Simmons, also in his prime.

]]> By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2439/comment-page-1#comment-8942 JohnnyTwisto Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:15:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-8942 Those '27-'28 A's are interesting teams. In '27, in addition to Cobb, they also had Eddie Collins and Zack Wheat playing out the string, a very young Jimmie Foxx, and then Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove in their primes. The following season, Wheat had retired, but Tris Speaker came over for his final season. Seven no-doubt HOFers on each team, but they still couldn't get past the Yankees until '29, when Foxx finally got a full-time job, and the only remaining old-timer was Collins with 9 PA. Those '27-'28 A's are interesting teams. In '27, in addition to Cobb, they also had Eddie Collins and Zack Wheat playing out the string, a very young Jimmie Foxx, and then Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove in their primes. The following season, Wheat had retired, but Tris Speaker came over for his final season. Seven no-doubt HOFers on each team, but they still couldn't get past the Yankees until '29, when Foxx finally got a full-time job, and the only remaining old-timer was Collins with 9 PA.

]]> By: tomepp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2439/comment-page-1#comment-8937 tomepp Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:30:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-8937 Not surprisingly, six of the top 10 listed played their entire careers for one franchise. Two of the other four (Aaron and Mays) had brief "homecoming tours" at the end of their careers in the original cities their franchises left. Only Rose had more than 1000 plate appearances (3536, mostly with the Phillies) with another club; and he, too, ended his career with two-plus seasons back in Cincinnati (though in his case those 879 PA count toward his franchise total). Ty Cobb ended his career with two seasons (967 PA) with the Philadelphia A's. Not surprisingly, six of the top 10 listed played their entire careers for one franchise. Two of the other four (Aaron and Mays) had brief "homecoming tours" at the end of their careers in the original cities their franchises left. Only Rose had more than 1000 plate appearances (3536, mostly with the Phillies) with another club; and he, too, ended his career with two-plus seasons back in Cincinnati (though in his case those 879 PA count toward his franchise total). Ty Cobb ended his career with two seasons (967 PA) with the Philadelphia A's.

]]> By: jksesq1 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2439/comment-page-1#comment-8934 jksesq1 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:21:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-8934 Cool article, thanks. FWIW, probably not much, the top 5 becomes Yaz-Aaron-Musial-Ripken-Cobb if you correct for shorter seasons before 1963 (I used 154 games although obviously there was more variance than that). Of course, Cal and Biggio missed PA's during strikes, but since those were voluntary, I usually don't correct for them in my stats :-) (although I love both players). Also, should just point out that Musial missed the entire 1945 season due to WWII -- expected PA's, 687, based on +- 2 year averages). So had he not missed that season, he almost certainly would have been 2nd on the list, without adjustment, or first with adjustments. Cool article, thanks.

FWIW, probably not much, the top 5 becomes Yaz-Aaron-Musial-Ripken-Cobb if you correct for shorter seasons before 1963 (I used 154 games although obviously there was more variance than that).

Of course, Cal and Biggio missed PA's during strikes, but since those were voluntary, I usually don't correct for them in my stats :-) (although I love both players).

Also, should just point out that Musial missed the entire 1945 season due to WWII -- expected PA's, 687, based on +- 2 year averages). So had he not missed that season, he almost certainly would have been 2nd on the list, without adjustment, or first with adjustments.

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