Comments on: Worst, Save, Ever? http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8315 JohnnyTwisto Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:00:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8315 They still have the old rule here: http://www.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/about_mlb/rules_regulations.jsp It's not the official rulebook but it is a page that came up when I was searching on this a couple days ago. They still have the old rule here: http://www.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/about_mlb/rules_regulations.jsp
It's not the official rulebook but it is a page that came up when I was searching on this a couple days ago.

]]> By: AndrewC http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8311 AndrewC Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:38:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8311 When I look up the rule on MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf), the word "effectively" isn't there. Is it somewhere else on the website, too? When I look up the rule on MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf), the word "effectively" isn't there. Is it somewhere else on the website, too?

]]> By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8310 JohnnyTwisto Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:11:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8310 Does anyone know when the "effective" requirement was removed from the save rule? I think it was quite recently but I could not find it. As I said, MLB's own site still lists the old rule, which is pretty lame. Does anyone know when the "effective" requirement was removed from the save rule? I think it was quite recently but I could not find it. As I said, MLB's own site still lists the old rule, which is pretty lame.

]]> By: smedindy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8309 smedindy Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:42:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8309 Yikes. Goltz shouldn't get a save for allowing 8 runs to the likes of Jack Brohamer, Charlie Spikes, and the immortal Rusty Torres. Wow, I noticed Chambliss' BA too. As of June 30, he was hitting .197. He hit .325 the rest of the way. Yikes. Goltz shouldn't get a save for allowing 8 runs to the likes of Jack Brohamer, Charlie Spikes, and the immortal Rusty Torres.

Wow, I noticed Chambliss' BA too. As of June 30, he was hitting .197. He hit .325 the rest of the way.

]]> By: AndrewC http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8307 AndrewC Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:09:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8307 The current save rule definitely does not require effective pitching for a three-inning save--but I looked up the 1973 rule, and effectiveness <i>was</i> required at that time. The current save rule definitely does not require effective pitching for a three-inning save--but I looked up the 1973 rule, and effectiveness was required at that time.

]]> By: hscer http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8303 hscer Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:03:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8303 Oddly enough Goltz didn't have that bad of a career in the end. He even won 20 games in 1977. Oddly enough Goltz didn't have that bad of a career in the end. He even won 20 games in 1977.

]]> By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8302 JohnnyTwisto Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8302 Andrew, the rule was you had to pitch effectively for at least 3 innings. The B-R bullpen states that "effectively" has now been removed from the rule, but does not say when that occurred. MLB.com still shows the rule the way I remember it. And according to the Bullpen, effective pitching was required in 1973, and therefore a save should not have been awarded. Andrew, the rule was you had to pitch effectively for at least 3 innings. The B-R bullpen states that "effectively" has now been removed from the rule, but does not say when that occurred. MLB.com still shows the rule the way I remember it. And according to the Bullpen, effective pitching was required in 1973, and therefore a save should not have been awarded.

]]> By: buckley http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8301 buckley Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:53:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8301 Goes to show how worthless a statistic the "save" is, even today. The win is pretty bad too. Goes to show how worthless a statistic the "save" is, even today. The win is pretty bad too.

]]> By: Michael Poplawski http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8300 Michael Poplawski Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:17:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8300 The record for most empty seats at an MLB game must be at Cleveland Stadium, and I have little doubt that there weren't even close to 2,033 people in the park to witness Goltz's amazing relief performance. It was the second game of a doubleheader, the first game going 15 innings and 4:14, second game going over 3 hours. I'll give Goltz some credit--at least he threw strikes. That's knowing how to pitch with a lead! The record for most empty seats at an MLB game must be at Cleveland Stadium, and I have little doubt that there weren't even close to 2,033 people in the park to witness Goltz's amazing relief performance. It was the second game of a doubleheader, the first game going 15 innings and 4:14, second game going over 3 hours.

I'll give Goltz some credit--at least he threw strikes. That's knowing how to pitch with a lead!

]]> By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2075/comment-page-1#comment-8298 DavidRF Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:58:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2075#comment-8298 Cleveland Stadium was one the the largest parks in MLB history, too. 78,000 seats. The MLB record attendance of 84,587 showed up for a doubleheader in 1954. 2,033 in that park must have felt extra empty. Cleveland Stadium was one the the largest parks in MLB history, too. 78,000 seats. The MLB record attendance of 84,587 showed up for a doubleheader in 1954.

2,033 in that park must have felt extra empty.

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