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	<title>Comments on: Tim Raines</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/207/comment-page-1#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you didn&#039;t get it from comment #3 above, I was wrong about Raines not facing Nolan Ryan in his very first at-bat. Please read the link in #3 above to see the explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you didn't get it from comment #3 above, I was wrong about Raines not facing Nolan Ryan in his very first at-bat. Please read the link in #3 above to see the explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Stat of the Day &#187; Tim Raines - correction - the MLB batting debut that wasn't</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stat of the Day &#187; Tim Raines - correction - the MLB batting debut that wasn't</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few days ago I made this post about Tim Raines, commenting on his recent interview with Baseball Prospectus. I (incorrectly) stated that Raines [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few days ago I made this post about Tim Raines, commenting on his recent interview with Baseball Prospectus. I (incorrectly) stated that Raines [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/207/comment-page-1#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David--nice thoughts.

I always liked Boggs, and especially Gwynn, as players, but it would certainly be fair to call them fairly one-dimensional. Gwynn had a lot of speed, and in some ways, it&#039;s hard to believe he wasn&#039;t more of an offensive force. You point out his main shortcoming, which is very low walk rates. I don&#039;t know to what degree this is true, but it would almost seem that he swung at some pithes out of the strike zone and turned them into hits, whereas other players may have drawn walks. A hit is certainly better than a walk since it can advance baserunners that are not forced (such as a runner on second), and can sometimes advance runners more than one base. But Gwynn had a just a 50-point difference between his career OBP and career BA (.388 vs .338). Boggs had a much bigger difference of 87 points (.415 vs .328), and Raines did too (91 points, .425 vs .294.)

Personally, I think Raines compares favorably with Gwynn, and roughly equal to Boggs. But the latter two guys were swept into the HOF quickly and I don&#039;t think Raines will be. I hope he makes it within a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David--nice thoughts.</p>
<p>I always liked Boggs, and especially Gwynn, as players, but it would certainly be fair to call them fairly one-dimensional. Gwynn had a lot of speed, and in some ways, it's hard to believe he wasn't more of an offensive force. You point out his main shortcoming, which is very low walk rates. I don't know to what degree this is true, but it would almost seem that he swung at some pithes out of the strike zone and turned them into hits, whereas other players may have drawn walks. A hit is certainly better than a walk since it can advance baserunners that are not forced (such as a runner on second), and can sometimes advance runners more than one base. But Gwynn had a just a 50-point difference between his career OBP and career BA (.388 vs .338). Boggs had a much bigger difference of 87 points (.415 vs .328), and Raines did too (91 points, .425 vs .294.)</p>
<p>Personally, I think Raines compares favorably with Gwynn, and roughly equal to Boggs. But the latter two guys were swept into the HOF quickly and I don't think Raines will be. I hope he makes it within a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: David in Toledo</title>
		<link>http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/207/comment-page-1#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>David in Toledo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Raines compares interestingly with Tony Gwynn.  Gwynn has 536 more hits;  Raines has 540 more walks.  When you add total bases + walks + hbp + (steals – caught stealing) and then subtract double plays hit into, you get these totals:  Gwynn, 5007;  Raines, 5665.  Divide those by their number of plate appearances, and you get these percentages:  Gwynn, .489;  Raines, .547.

That is, for every time Tony Gwynn came to bat, there was a .489 likelihood that he would advance a base.  Usually, he made an out; sometimes, he hit a double and stole third; but on average, he moved the Padres .489 of a base toward a run.  Raines’s contribution was 12% greater, .547.  One can argue that Tim Raines was, over 20 years, a measurably more potent offensive force for his teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Raines compares interestingly with Tony Gwynn.  Gwynn has 536 more hits;  Raines has 540 more walks.  When you add total bases + walks + hbp + (steals – caught stealing) and then subtract double plays hit into, you get these totals:  Gwynn, 5007;  Raines, 5665.  Divide those by their number of plate appearances, and you get these percentages:  Gwynn, .489;  Raines, .547.</p>
<p>That is, for every time Tony Gwynn came to bat, there was a .489 likelihood that he would advance a base.  Usually, he made an out; sometimes, he hit a double and stole third; but on average, he moved the Padres .489 of a base toward a run.  Raines’s contribution was 12% greater, .547.  One can argue that Tim Raines was, over 20 years, a measurably more potent offensive force for his teams.</p>
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