Comments on: Aaron Harang’s weird 2008 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8222 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:05:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8222 I always found interesting the comparison of Anthony Young and Bob Wickman, both pitching in NY at the same time.

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8219 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:14:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8219 Maybe also worth mentioning is Anthony Young's 1993 season: 1-and-16, ERA+ = 107.

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8217 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:07:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8217 The really cool thing about the Virgil Trucks 5-and-19 season is that two of those 5 wins were no-hitters.

Oeschger was, of course, one of the pitchers who went 26 innings in a game in 1920.

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By: tomepp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8214 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:29:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8214 I completely agree, JohnnyTwisto. I had both Clemens and Johnson on my fantasy team those years, and I felt that essentially Chris Carpenter stole a Cy Young from Johnson. (Carpenter was the one who took the CY over Clemens in 2005). Clemens was a bit light in innings in 2005; only 211.1 in 32 starts, Carpenter and Dontrelle Willis (the two ahead of Clemens) had 30.1 and 25 more innings in addition to 20+ wins each.

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By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8195 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:43:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8195 Of course, the following season Clemens had a 1.87 ERA and probably deserved the CYA, but didn't get it because his record was just 13-8. He had historically bad run support that season. I think the Astros may have been shut out something like 10 times when he started. If Chris J. reads this, he probably has the details.

Clemens did win some CYAs he probably didn't deserve, but he also lost some he probably should have won (1990 also comes to mind).

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By: tomepp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8188 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:23:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8188 That also brings to mind Randy Johnson’s 2004 season. Though he did have a winning record (16-14), he lost the Cy Young award to Roger Clemens, despite leading the league in ERA+ (177, Clemens’ 146 was 5th), WHIP (0.90, Clemens’ 1.16 was 8th), H/9IP (6.48, Clemens’ 7.10 was 4th), and strikeouts (290, Clemens’ 218 was 5th). The Unit also had a lower ERA (2.60, 2nd to 2.98, 5th), fewer BB/9IP (1.6, 4th; Clemens’ 3.3 was not in the top 10), a higher K/9IP (10.62, 2nd to 9.15, 7th), a better K/BB ratio (6.59, 2nd, Clemens’ 2.76 was not in the top 10), more innings pitched (245.2, 2nd in NL to 214.1, 8th), more games started (35, tied for 1st, Clemens’ 33 was not in top 10), more complete games (4, tied for 4th, Clemens had none), and more shutouts (2, tied for 3rd, Clemens had none). The main thing Clemens had going for him was an 18-4 record vs. a 16-14 record. While both pitchers were the benefactors of 3 “cheap wins”, Johnson was the victim of a league leading (tie) 9 “tough losses” to Clemens’ 2.

I did an analysis back then, putting Johnson’s, Clemens’, Jason Schmidt’s, and Carlos Zambrano’s performances in the context of Arizona’s, Houston’s, San Francisco’s and Chicago Cubs’ run support.

With Arizona’s run support:
Johnson: 16-14 (most W)
Clemens: 15-10 (best WL%)
Schmidt: 14-15
Zambrano: 14-11

With Hoston’s run support:
Johnson: 19-8 (most W, tied)
Clemens: 18-4 (best WL%)
Schmidt: 19-6 (most W, tied)
Zambrano: 17-6

With San Francisco’s run support:
Johnson: 20-8 (most W)
Clemens: 14-8
Schmidt: 18-7 (best WL%)
Zambrano: 15-9

With Chicago’s run support:
Johnson: 19-9 (most W)
Clemens: 16-7 (best WL%)
Schmidt: 16-9
Zambrano: 16-8

It is clear that with equivalent run support, Johnson would have wound up with more wins than Clemens, and presumably the Cy Young award. Clemens still finishes with a better win-loss percentage, but I think that the greater win total – along with Johnson’s lead in virtually every other category – would have given the award to the Unit.

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By: dfj79 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8185 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:21:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8185 Some more numbers from Ryan's '87 season: he led the league in OPS against (.576) and game-score average (61), and tied for the league lead in quality starts (25) and quality-start percentage (74%, the best of his career). His neutralized W/L record (15-8, second-best of his career) is nearly the reverse of his actual record. Best season ever by a pitcher who lost twice as many games as he won?

Incidentally, Orel Hershiser also had a very good 16-loss season in 1987, sporting an ERA+ of 131 (third in the NL). Orel did, however, manage 16 wins to go with his losses.

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By: dfj79 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2021/comment-page-1#comment-8177 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:31:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=2021#comment-8177 This brings to mind Nolan Ryan's 1987 season: 8-16 with a league-leading ERA+ of 142. Ryan should've won the Cy Young award that year, and you can even make a case that it was his best season: he had the best strikeout rate of his career to go along with one of his lowest walk rates--good enough to lead the league in K/BB ratio (the only time he ever did that). It was one of only two times he led the league in ERA+ (the other coming in the strike-shortened '81 season).

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