Comments on: GIDP http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7227 JohnnyTwisto Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:26:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7227 Not all of them. Gwynn was fast as a young man. Musial and Brett could run. I think Yaz and Oliver moved pretty well. Green was athletic in his younger days, though he seemed immobile by the end. Not all of them. Gwynn was fast as a young man. Musial and Brett could run. I think Yaz and Oliver moved pretty well. Green was athletic in his younger days, though he seemed immobile by the end.

]]> By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7224 Andy Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7224 Good info, kingturtle. Those guys are all as slow as dirt. Good info, kingturtle. Those guys are all as slow as dirt.

]]> By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7223 kingturtle Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:00:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7223 Lefty/righty batting makes a huge difference in this. There is only one left handed batter on the first list (totals for grounded-into-double-plays over the last 10 seasons), Shawn Green, and only one right-handed batter on the 2nd list (fewest GIDPs over the last 10 years), Alfonso Soriano. Nicely done Alfonso! The all-time GIDP leaders for left-handed hitters are Carl Yastrzemski (323), Harold Baines (298), Rusty Staub (297), Tony Gwynn (260), Al Oliver (254), Bill Buckner (247), Stan Musial (243), Wade Boggs (236), George Brett (235), John Olerud (232). Single-season GIDP leaders for left-handed hitters are Ben Grieve (32), Carl Yastrzemski (30), Bruce Bochte (27), Sean Casey (27), A.J. Pierzynski (27), Rusty Staub (27), Carl Yastrzemski (27), Lyman Bostock (26), Shawn Green (26), Willie Montanez (26), Willie Montanez (26), Dave Parker (26). Lefty/righty batting makes a huge difference in this.

There is only one left handed batter on the first list (totals for grounded-into-double-plays over the last 10 seasons), Shawn Green, and only one right-handed batter on the 2nd list (fewest GIDPs over the last 10 years), Alfonso Soriano. Nicely done Alfonso!

The all-time GIDP leaders for left-handed hitters are Carl Yastrzemski (323), Harold Baines (298), Rusty Staub (297), Tony Gwynn (260), Al Oliver (254), Bill Buckner (247), Stan Musial (243), Wade Boggs (236), George Brett (235), John Olerud (232).

Single-season GIDP leaders for left-handed hitters are Ben Grieve (32), Carl Yastrzemski (30), Bruce Bochte (27), Sean Casey (27), A.J. Pierzynski (27), Rusty Staub (27), Carl Yastrzemski (27), Lyman Bostock (26), Shawn Green (26), Willie Montanez (26), Willie Montanez (26), Dave Parker (26).

]]> By: whiz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7222 whiz Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:22:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7222 Some players with a lot of SB also get a lot of GIDP (funny, I was just looking at this yesterday). <a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/play-index/shareit/MehH" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a list of 200-GIDP, 300-SB players since 1954. Many of them hit a lot of ground balls (especially the top two, with GO/FO over 1.3). Carew had GO/FO = 1.83. Mays and Dawson may have had a lot of runners on in front of them. Some players with a lot of SB also get a lot of GIDP (funny, I was just looking at this yesterday).
Here is a list of 200-GIDP, 300-SB players since 1954.

Many of them hit a lot of ground balls (especially the top two, with GO/FO over 1.3). Carew had GO/FO = 1.83. Mays and Dawson may have had a lot of runners on in front of them.

]]> By: RedDawg5357 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7220 RedDawg5357 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:09:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7220 They should force Ichiro to bat right to make it fair, jk. They should force Ichiro to bat right to make it fair, jk.

]]> By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7219 Andy Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:25:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7219 Ichiro's got everything going for him in terms of low-DP totals. Aside from being fast, batting leadoff, and hitting lefty, he's also got that sweeping sort of swing. At the point he makes contact with the ball, his body already has forward momentum heading out of the batter's box. I saw a video study done on this once--can't remember if it was ESPN, or a Mariners' local broadcast, or something else, but they said that his swing gave him a ridiculous edge of something like 0.4 seconds over an average left-handed batter and almost a full second over an average right-handed batter. Ichiro's got everything going for him in terms of low-DP totals. Aside from being fast, batting leadoff, and hitting lefty, he's also got that sweeping sort of swing. At the point he makes contact with the ball, his body already has forward momentum heading out of the batter's box. I saw a video study done on this once--can't remember if it was ESPN, or a Mariners' local broadcast, or something else, but they said that his swing gave him a ridiculous edge of something like 0.4 seconds over an average left-handed batter and almost a full second over an average right-handed batter.

]]> By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7217 Raphy Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:23:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7217 David's theory can be answered on the batting splits pages. In each of the last 7 years right handed batters hit into 14-15 DP per 650 PA and lefties 11-12 per 650 PA. David's theory can be answered on the batting splits pages. In each of the last 7 years right handed batters hit into 14-15 DP per 650 PA and lefties 11-12 per 650 PA.

]]> By: Willie http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7216 Willie Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:37:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7216 Funny to hear Shawn Green labeled "slow". Though you are probably right. I guess I'm old. Funny to hear Shawn Green labeled "slow". Though you are probably right. I guess I'm old.

]]> By: spudart http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7215 spudart Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:24:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7215 Oh that explains why Derrek Lee grounded into so many double plays last year. All the Cubs fans were giving him a hard time last year about it. But your explanations totally fit his situation. Oh that explains why Derrek Lee grounded into so many double plays last year. All the Cubs fans were giving him a hard time last year about it. But your explanations totally fit his situation.

]]> By: DavidRF http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1927/comment-page-1#comment-7214 DavidRF Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:30:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-7214 What about lefty-righty splits? The conventional wisdom is that right-handed batters ground into more double plays because the 3-6-3 DP is more difficult for fielders to execute than the 5-4-3 DP (especially if the 1B is holding the runner and cannot cover as much ground). I've also heard that power hitters ground into more DP's because they tend to hit the ball harder and hard-hit grounders are more likely to result in DP's than slow dribblers. That one I'm not so sure of though. What about lefty-righty splits? The conventional wisdom is that right-handed batters ground into more double plays because the 3-6-3 DP is more difficult for fielders to execute than the 5-4-3 DP (especially if the 1B is holding the runner and cannot cover as much ground).

I've also heard that power hitters ground into more DP's because they tend to hit the ball harder and hard-hit grounders are more likely to result in DP's than slow dribblers. That one I'm not so sure of though.

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