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GIDP

Posted by Andy on July 10, 2009

Loyal reader and all-around genius Brian asked me to post about GIDPs over the last 10 years.

Let's start with the top 20 (actually 21) totals for grounded-into-double-plays over the last 10 seasons:

  Cnt Player            **GDP** From  To   Ages   G    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF  SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  Positions Teams
+----+-----------------+-------+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+-----------+
    1 Miguel Tejada       208   2000 2009 26-35 1505  6511  5964  923 1772 348  15 244 1006  409  59  728  83   4  51   60  21  .297  .348  .483  .831 *6/D      OAK-BAL-HOU 
    2 Paul Konerko        189   2000 2009 24-33 1406  5790  5107  753 1430 262   2 283  905  564  50  833  65   0  54    6   1  .280  .356  .498  .854 *3/D5     CHW         
    3 Vladimir Guerrero   185   2000 2009 25-34 1378  5872  5208  892 1689 316  30 304 1008  557 212  639  63   0  44  147  67  .324  .393  .572  .965 *9D       MON-ANA-LAA 
    4 Magglio Ordonez     168   2000 2009 26-35 1288  5466  4895  781 1537 320  13 224  930  488  29  627  34   0  49   68  33  .314  .377  .522  .899 *9/D8     CHW-DET     
    5 Albert Pujols       168   2001 2009 21-29 1324  5746  4865 1014 1626 362  13 350 1059  765 185  541  63   1  52   55  29  .334  .427  .630 1.057 *37/59D64 STL         
    6 Edgar Renteria      161   2000 2009 24-33 1385  5870  5265  794 1533 312  16 106  677  478  34  712  18  55  54  159  59  .291  .349  .417  .766 *6/D3     STL-BOS-ATL-DET-SFG 
    7 Ivan Rodriguez      153   2000 2009 28-37 1166  4747  4434  628 1330 273  30 158  626  242  31  767  24  12  35   64  33  .300  .337  .482  .819 *2/D34    TEX-FLA-DET-TOT-HOU 
    8 Derek Jeter         151   2000 2009 26-35 1425  6574  5812 1036 1830 305  26 153  696  579  24  944 105  55  23  206  45  .315  .386  .455  .841 *6/D      NYY         
    9 Torii Hunter        146   2000 2009 24-33 1315  5385  4927  761 1356 297  27 221  817  374  40  951  52   1  31  148  61  .275  .331  .481  .812 *8/D7     MIN-LAA     
   10 Bengie Molina       146   2000 2009 25-34 1156  4417  4130  397 1143 191   5 128  633  168  20  398  41  22  56    3   6  .277  .308  .418  .726 *2/D      ANA-LAA-TOR-SFG 
   11 Mike Lowell         144   2000 2009 26-35 1372  5693  5093  691 1431 355   7 199  845  480  42  685  47   1  72   28  14  .281  .344  .471  .815 *5/4D     FLA-BOS     
   12 Manny Ramirez       143   2000 2009 28-37 1286  5580  4687  895 1496 313   9 337 1068  784 161 1023  63   0  46   10   8  .319  .420  .606 1.026 *7D9      CLE-BOS-TOT-LAD 
   13 Michael Young       143   2000 2009 23-32 1296  5756  5288  790 1591 302  42 125  686  385   8  854  16  25  42   73  22  .301  .348  .445  .793 *64/5D    TEX         
   14 Alex Rodriguez      142   2000 2009 24-33 1454  6468  5471 1141 1658 274  15 419 1188  816  80 1178 122   0  59  167  35  .303  .401  .588  .989 *56/D     SEA-TEX-NYY 
   15 Jeff Kent           142   2000 2008 32-40 1266  5377  4756  754 1429 327  29 216  850  504  39  752  63   0  54   45  29  .300  .371  .518  .889 *4/3D     SFG-HOU-LAD 
   16 Carlos Lee          141   2000 2009 24-33 1436  6029  5451  842 1584 322  11 277  965  471  44  720  34   2  71  108  38  .291  .347  .506  .853 *7/D      CHW-MIL-TOT-HOU 
   17 Orlando Cabrera     139   2000 2009 25-34 1456  6186  5638  735 1543 350  19  98  649  416  21  526  23  39  70  179  43  .274  .322  .395  .717 *6/D4     MON-TOT-LAA-CHW-OAK 
   18 Adrian Beltre       138   2000 2009 21-30 1414  5885  5400  708 1468 304  21 225  804  395  43  916  40   8  42   86  30  .272  .324  .461  .785 *5/D64    LAD-SEA     
   19 Derrek Lee          138   2000 2009 24-33 1378  5741  4994  801 1449 316  24 251  783  650  64 1112  51   2  44   93  41  .290  .375  .514  .889 *3/D      FLA-CHC     
   20 Aramis Ramirez      138   2000 2009 22-31 1259  5228  4728  669 1364 295  14 247  866  377  39  684  65   1  57   13  12  .288  .346  .514  .860 *5/D      PIT-TOT-CHC 
   21 Shawn Green         138   2000 2007 27-34 1235  5196  4569  727 1285 281  20 209  694  538  64  805  52   1  36   86  27  .281  .361  .489  .850 *93/8D    LAD-ARI-TOT-NYM 

To get a lot of GIDPs, I think there are several key factors:

  • You have to play a lot. These guys are pretty much all superstars who rarely sit and therefore played  a lot of games. More games means more opportunities to hit into double plays.
  • You probably aren't very fast. The majority of the players on this list--Tejada, Konerko, Molina, Lowell, Kent, and Green come right to mind--are slow players. A few (Jeter and Hunter stick out) are fast, but we'll come back to them in a minute.
  • You almost certainly don't bat leadoff, since leadoff hitters always get at least one plate appearance per game where they cannot possibly GIDP (the first one.) Nobody on the list above has spent significant time hitting leadoff except for Jeter, and most of the time since 2000 he's hit second.
  • You probably play for a team that scores a lot of runs. More runs means more plate appearance, which means more opportunities to ground into double plays. Notice that most of these guys come from teams that made multiple playoff appearances over the last 10 years. If a team makes the playoffs, it probably scores more runs and therefore also grounds into more double plays.

You probably are starting to see the trouble with a list like this. There are lots of external factors that come into play when grounding into a double play and it would be a lot better if we could normalize the total by total possible "chances" for a double play, i.e. batting with a runner on first and less than 2 outs. Of course this normalization can be done, but not easily with the PI.

Even if we just normalized by plate appearances, you can see that catchers I-Rod and Molina would rank much higher. They've racked up their GIDPs in many fewer plate appearances.

So here is the list of fewest GIDPs over the last 10 years, minimum 4000 plate appearances:

  Cnt Player            **GDP**   PA  From  To   Ages   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF  SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  Positions Teams
+----+-----------------+-------+-----+----+----+-----+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+-----------+
    1 Ichiro Suzuki        43    6286 2001 2009 27-35 1356  5797  927 1925 213  67  79  491  396 138  555  42  23  28  332  75  .332  .377  .433  .810 *98/D     SEA         
    2 Barry Bonds          49    4072 2000 2007 35-42  986  2871  772  925 178  12 317  697 1128 390  427  53   0  20   54   9  .322  .517  .724 1.241 *7/D      SFG         
    3 Carl Crawford        51    4427 2002 2009 20-27 1009  4127  616 1218 173  87  78  472  223  16  620  25  26  26  345  71  .295  .333  .436  .769 *7/8D     TBD-TBR     
    4 Johnny Damon         53    6488 2000 2009 26-35 1423  5760 1069 1675 320  58 150  699  624  20  717  27  28  49  260  63  .291  .360  .445  .805 *87D/39   KCR-OAK-BOS-NYY 
    5 Craig Counsell       55    4054 2000 2009 29-38 1103  3511  496  904 162  28  32  269  444  24  494  40  32  27   95  43  .257  .345  .347  .692 645/3     ARI-MIL     
    6 Kenny Lofton         55    4237 2000 2007 33-40 1007  3741  676 1072 171  56  67  369  408  12  426  16  41  31  189  53  .287  .357  .416  .773 *8/79D    CLE-TOT-NYY-PHI-LAD 
    7 Cliff Floyd          57    4232 2000 2009 27-36 1082  3682  598 1040 232  10 182  630  439  74  726  75   0  36   90  17  .282  .367  .499  .866 *79D      FLA-TOT-NYM-CHC-TBR-SDP 
    8 Brian Roberts        59    4751 2001 2009 23-31 1059  4190  681 1186 290  33  69  404  474  21  620   8  42  37  243  62  .283  .354  .417  .771 *4/6D     BAL         
    9 J.D. Drew            60    4612 2000 2009 24-33 1164  3841  735 1095 210  37 186  622  681  43  848  42  15  33   65  28  .285  .395  .504  .899 *98/7D    STL-ATL-LAD-BOS 
   10 Adam Dunn            61    5105 2001 2009 21-29 1214  4160  738 1030 214   8 300  731  863  90 1351  58   2  22   59  20  .248  .382  .519  .901 *739/D    CIN-TOT-WSN 
   11 Darin Erstad         61    4498 2000 2009 26-35 1146  4106  609 1158 211  20  71  461  311  28  632  26  27  28  120  34  .282  .334  .395  .729 837/D9    ANA-LAA-CHW-HOU 
   12 Rafael Furcal        61    5526 2000 2009 22-31 1226  4935  829 1404 241  54  86  437  501  17  706  15  45  30  264  79  .284  .350  .407  .757 *6/4      ATL-LAD     
   13 Alfonso Soriano      61    5686 2000 2009 24-33 1272  5252  842 1465 327  23 283  736  324  51 1146  65   8  37  255  70  .279  .327  .512  .839 *47/856D  NYY-TEX-WSN-CHC 
   14 Steve Finley         61    4059 2000 2007 35-42 1045  3609  538  962 174  39 151  518  375  34  533  24  18  33   78  36  .267  .337  .462  .799 *8/D91    ARI-TOT-LAA-SFG-COL 
   15 Jose Cruz            63    4179 2000 2008 26-34 1073  3628  536  896 200  29 153  469  496  28  840   5  21  29   81  29  .247  .336  .445  .781 987/D     TOR-SFG-TBD-TOT-LAD-SDP-HOU 
   16 Jeromy Burnitz       63    4011 2000 2006 31-37 1016  3527  536  867 171  12 192  575  409  47  825  47   2  26   32  30  .246  .330  .464  .794 *98/7D    MIL-NYM-TOT-COL-CHC-PIT 
   17 Gary Matthews        68    4310 2000 2009 25-34 1167  3841  576  991 210  28 106  448  412  25  779  16  12  29   89  35  .258  .330  .410  .740 *897/D    CHC-TOT-TEX-LAA 
   18 Juan Pierre          68    5924 2000 2009 22-31 1364  5409  785 1630 198  75  13  381  331   7  329  65 106  13  452 151  .301  .348  .373  .721 *87/D     COL-FLA-CHC-LAD 
   19 Cristian Guzman      70    4686 2000 2009 22-31 1104  4363  599 1208 205  79  56  384  214  15  597  22  60  27  109  57  .277  .312  .399  .711 *6/D      MIN-WSN     
   20 Jim Edmonds          71    4757 2000 2008 30-38 1216  3968  743 1113 253  13 261  768  700  69 1111  33   7  49   39  26  .280  .389  .548  .937 *8/3D7    STL-TOT     

The list is pretty what we might have expected. Note that Ichiro has the lowest total but also has by far the most plate appearances of these guys.

Note the following trensd among these players:

  • You're probably fast, which helps avoid grounding into double plays. (All the fastest guys are here...Ichiro, Damon, Crawford, Lofton, Furcal, Pierre, Guzman...)
  • You probably bat leadoff, which really helps a lot inkeeping the GIDP total down.
  • If you're not fast, you're probably a power hitter who hits lots of fly balls and strikes out a lot (Drew, Dunn, Edmonds, Burnitz).
  • Your team is probably not one of the best. Fewer wins means fewer runs means fewer plate appearances means fewer GIDP opportunities.

And finally, if you're on the fewest GIDP list, there's a decent chance you're also on the most-SB list:

  Cnt Player             **SB**    PA  From  To   Ages   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF GDP  CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  Positions Teams
+----+-----------------+--------+-----+----+----+-----+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+-----------+
    1 Juan Pierre          452    5924 2000 2009 22-31 1364  5409  785 1630 198  75  13  381  331   7  329  65 106  13  68 151  .301  .348  .373  .721 *87/D     COL-FLA-CHC-LAD 
    2 Carl Crawford        345    4427 2002 2009 20-27 1009  4127  616 1218 173  87  78  472  223  16  620  25  26  26  51  71  .295  .333  .436  .769 *7/8D     TBD-TBR     
    3 Ichiro Suzuki        332    6286 2001 2009 27-35 1356  5797  927 1925 213  67  79  491  396 138  555  42  23  28  43  75  .332  .377  .433  .810 *98/D     SEA         
    4 Jimmy Rollins        307    6150 2000 2009 21-30 1328  5604  893 1536 326  91 132  577  449  35  734  32  32  33  80  66  .274  .330  .435  .765 *6/4      PHI         
    5 Bobby Abreu          283    6600 2000 2009 26-35 1499  5520 1010 1642 395  36 207  942  994  80 1161  25   2  59 105  85  .297  .403  .495  .898 *9/8D7    PHI-TOT-NYY-LAA 
    6 Luis Castillo        266    5668 2000 2009 24-33 1276  4949  786 1466 150  49  25  349  601  12  568  10  89  19  98 105  .296  .372  .361  .733 *4        FLA-MIN-TOT-NYM 
    7 Rafael Furcal        264    5526 2000 2009 22-31 1226  4935  829 1404 241  54  86  437  501  17  706  15  45  30  61  79  .284  .350  .407  .757 *6/4      ATL-LAD     
    8 Johnny Damon         260    6488 2000 2009 26-35 1423  5760 1069 1675 320  58 150  699  624  20  717  27  28  49  53  63  .291  .360  .445  .805 *87D/39   KCR-OAK-BOS-NYY 
    9 Carlos Beltran       256    6014 2000 2009 23-32 1373  5239  951 1476 306  54 249  912  671  61  942  28  16  60  89  30  .282  .363  .503  .866 *8/D97    KCR-TOT-NYM 
   10 Alfonso Soriano      255    5686 2000 2009 24-33 1272  5252  842 1465 327  23 283  736  324  51 1146  65   8  37  61  70  .279  .327  .512  .839 *47/856D  NYY-TEX-WSN-CHC 
   11 Brian Roberts        243    4751 2001 2009 23-31 1059  4190  681 1186 290  33  69  404  474  21  620   8  42  37  59  62  .283  .354  .417  .771 *4/6D     BAL         
   12 Derek Jeter          206    6574 2000 2009 26-35 1425  5812 1036 1830 305  26 153  696  579  24  944 105  55  23 151  45  .315  .386  .455  .841 *6/D      NYY         
   13 Mike Cameron         205    5552 2000 2009 27-36 1316  4805  759 1215 276  40 211  729  622  14 1351  64  18  43  80  54  .253  .344  .459  .803 *8/9D     SEA-NYM-SDP-MIL 
   14 Kenny Lofton         189    4237 2000 2007 33-40 1007  3741  676 1072 171  56  67  369  408  12  426  16  41  31  55  53  .287  .357  .416  .773 *8/79D    CLE-TOT-NYY-PHI-LAD 
   15 Julio Lugo           187    4856 2000 2009 24-33 1186  4325  635 1172 225  28  78  439  403   4  788  34  56  38  73  62  .271  .335  .390  .725 *6/457D98 HOU-TOT-TBD-BOS 
   16 Orlando Cabrera      179    6186 2000 2009 25-34 1456  5638  735 1543 350  19  98  649  416  21  526  23  39  70 139  43  .274  .322  .395  .717 *6/D4     MON-TOT-LAA-CHW-OAK 
   17 Alex Rodriguez       167    6468 2000 2009 24-33 1454  5471 1141 1658 274  15 419 1188  816  80 1178 122   0  59 142  35  .303  .401  .588  .989 *56/D     SEA-TEX-NYY 
   18 Randy Winn           166    5681 2000 2009 26-35 1344  5108  723 1478 324  43 103  579  435  20  803  50  42  46  87  62  .289  .348  .430  .778 897/D5    TBD-SEA-TOT-SFG 
   19 Edgar Renteria       159    5870 2000 2009 24-33 1385  5265  794 1533 312  16 106  677  478  34  712  18  55  54 161  59  .291  .349  .417  .766 *6/D3     STL-BOS-ATL-DET-SFG 
   20 Omar Vizquel         151    5281 2000 2009 33-42 1246  4627  638 1251 208  40  43  450  476  21  483  28 111  39  98  65  .270  .339  .360  .699 *6/54     CLE-SFG-TEX 

Note this list is also minimum 4000 (to limit to the same group of players). A few guys (Jose Reyes, Chone Figgins, Scott Podsednik, Dave Roberts, and Willy Taveras) would make the top 20 for SB if not for this requirement.

There are 8 names in common from the SB and fewest GIDP lists, while there are 4 names in common from the SB and most GIDP lists. So being fast doesn't ensure that you won't ground into a lot of DPs but I guess it helps some.

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10 Responses to “GIDP”

  1. What about lefty-righty splits? The conventional wisdom is that right-handed batters ground into more double plays because the 3-6-3 DP is more difficult for fielders to execute than the 5-4-3 DP (especially if the 1B is holding the runner and cannot cover as much ground).

    I've also heard that power hitters ground into more DP's because they tend to hit the ball harder and hard-hit grounders are more likely to result in DP's than slow dribblers. That one I'm not so sure of though.

  2. Oh that explains why Derrek Lee grounded into so many double plays last year. All the Cubs fans were giving him a hard time last year about it. But your explanations totally fit his situation.

  3. Funny to hear Shawn Green labeled "slow". Though you are probably right. I guess I'm old.

  4. David's theory can be answered on the batting splits pages. In each of the last 7 years right handed batters hit into 14-15 DP per 650 PA and lefties 11-12 per 650 PA.

  5. Ichiro's got everything going for him in terms of low-DP totals. Aside from being fast, batting leadoff, and hitting lefty, he's also got that sweeping sort of swing. At the point he makes contact with the ball, his body already has forward momentum heading out of the batter's box. I saw a video study done on this once--can't remember if it was ESPN, or a Mariners' local broadcast, or something else, but they said that his swing gave him a ridiculous edge of something like 0.4 seconds over an average left-handed batter and almost a full second over an average right-handed batter.

  6. RedDawg5357 Says:

    They should force Ichiro to bat right to make it fair, jk.

  7. Some players with a lot of SB also get a lot of GIDP (funny, I was just looking at this yesterday).
    Here is a list of 200-GIDP, 300-SB players since 1954.

    Many of them hit a lot of ground balls (especially the top two, with GO/FO over 1.3). Carew had GO/FO = 1.83. Mays and Dawson may have had a lot of runners on in front of them.

  8. kingturtle Says:

    Lefty/righty batting makes a huge difference in this.

    There is only one left handed batter on the first list (totals for grounded-into-double-plays over the last 10 seasons), Shawn Green, and only one right-handed batter on the 2nd list (fewest GIDPs over the last 10 years), Alfonso Soriano. Nicely done Alfonso!

    The all-time GIDP leaders for left-handed hitters are Carl Yastrzemski (323), Harold Baines (298), Rusty Staub (297), Tony Gwynn (260), Al Oliver (254), Bill Buckner (247), Stan Musial (243), Wade Boggs (236), George Brett (235), John Olerud (232).

    Single-season GIDP leaders for left-handed hitters are Ben Grieve (32), Carl Yastrzemski (30), Bruce Bochte (27), Sean Casey (27), A.J. Pierzynski (27), Rusty Staub (27), Carl Yastrzemski (27), Lyman Bostock (26), Shawn Green (26), Willie Montanez (26), Willie Montanez (26), Dave Parker (26).

  9. Good info, kingturtle. Those guys are all as slow as dirt.

  10. JohnnyTwisto Says:

    Not all of them. Gwynn was fast as a young man. Musial and Brett could run. I think Yaz and Oliver moved pretty well. Green was athletic in his younger days, though he seemed immobile by the end.