Comments on: Mariano Rivera – saves more than 1 inning http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831/comment-page-1#comment-7162 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:16:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-7162 okay, i didn't mean to find the following information. i simply stumbled on it, and thought it should be shared here.

Mariano Rivera is 1st in all-time ERA+ with a 198! He's followed distantly by Pedro Martinez (154) and Lefty Grove (147). He is also 3rd in all-time WHIP, 4th in all-time K/BB, 17th in all-time ERA (far ahead of any contemporary or even post ww2 hurlers), 392nd in all-time least HR/IP (far ahead of any post-deadball hurler).

wow.

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By: tomepp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831/comment-page-1#comment-7100 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:52:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-7100 Baseball is usually a sport of gradual change, but it's interesting how in just six years (from 1987 to 1993), it went from 60% long saves to less than 30% and hasn't looked back since.

Occasionally, we see a rapid change in a statistic due to a change in the rules or playing field (like when the pitcher's mound was raised, the DH was introduced in the AL, or the balk rule was changed). But on even more rare occasions, one player or manager can change the game virtually overnight. Babe Ruth did this with the home run, and now Tony LaRussa has done this with the 9th inning closer.

This has also had a ripple effect throughout the bullpen; roles are much more clearly defined. You now have your closer (9th inning guy), your 8th inning set-up man for when you have the lead, your 7th inning guy, your guys who only pitch when your team is behind (and they usually have a distinct pecking order, too), along with your long guy for when the starter has to get pulled early (though that position pre-dates LaRussa's bullpen model). I guess this is good for the pitchers - they know with more predictability when they'll be called upon - but it makes managing the bullpen much more rote and less of an art.

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By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831/comment-page-1#comment-7060 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:53:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-7060 they used to be called firemen because they came in to put out fires. then they came to be called closers when they pitched a fresh 9th inning.

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By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831/comment-page-1#comment-7059 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:10:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-7059 I presume you'll let us know how many random multi-inning appearances should be considered saves for every other reliever in history as well, just to be fair.

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By: deadrody http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831/comment-page-1#comment-7057 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:12:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-7057 One thing to keep in mind is that in 1996 Rivera was far more valuable to the team than John Wetteland. Wetteland had 43 saves that year, but only 4 of them were more than 1 innings, and he almost never came into the game with runners on base. For the season he only saw 14 inherited runners, though he allowed 6 of them to score. The major reason behind that - Rivera pitching in front of him, and A LOT. While Wetteland recorded just 4 saves of more than 1 inning, Rivera had 40 appearances in 1996 of more than 1 inning, 35 of them 2 innings or more, and 8 of 3 innings or more.

In doing that he put up a WHIP of 0.994 and struck out 130 in 107.2 innings. Those 40, if they were saves, which they ought to be, considering he did more of the relief work than the guy who got the saves - if they were saves, he would be right behind Reardon and in 8th place all time.

Of course he is the career leader in ERA+, as well. And by a WIDE margin

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By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1831/comment-page-1#comment-7055 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:29:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-7055 Of course I knew the 4+ out saves were much less common than they used to be, but I didn't realize the number continued to drop so dramatically. I wouldn't have thought the % was so much smaller than just 5 or 10 years ago.

Might be interesting to compare the raw number of 4+ out saves through the years. There are more total saves than there used to be, but of course most of the increase is in one-inning saves. The % of 4+ out saves would consequently decrease even if there were just as many as there used to be.

I have done the same search for long saves before, so I was aware just how unique Rivera has been in this era. I do not think you can search only for active players with the Game Finder, but if you run the search since about '92 to the present, you can see in stark relief just how Rivera towers over other current and recent closers. I seem to recall Keith Foulke is also up there in long saves, despite his relatively brief closing career.

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