Comments on: Best ERA+ since 2004 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1798 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: zuty http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1798/comment-page-1#comment-7030 zuty Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:38:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1798#comment-7030 Sure, the arbitrary distinction of 300 innings excludes Mr. Papelbon. But if you go with the arbitrary distinction of "since Jonathan Papelbon started pitching in the majors" -- well, he has the 8th best ERA+ of any pitcher since 2005. The seven men above him have combined for 86 innings (as compared to Papelbon's 260). To make another arbitrary distinction and say "since 2005, with at least 50 IP" -- well, that puts our friend Mr. Papelbon at #1. Andy -- I think "mjpinciaro" only responded like he did because you opened your post with the statement that your inning criteria was there "to weed out some guys like Papelbon who haven’t been in the league since 2004." It's always fun to try and prove that someone is or is not the best or the worst or whatever during any given time period simply by choosing criteria to help isolate that player. It's like how Jimmy Rollins was the only player to have 30 doubles, 20 triples, 30 homers and 40 steals in a season. Makes him into a category of one, but it's still just stats. Sure, the arbitrary distinction of 300 innings excludes Mr. Papelbon. But if you go with the arbitrary distinction of "since Jonathan Papelbon started pitching in the majors" -- well, he has the 8th best ERA+ of any pitcher since 2005. The seven men above him have combined for 86 innings (as compared to Papelbon's 260). To make another arbitrary distinction and say "since 2005, with at least 50 IP" -- well, that puts our friend Mr. Papelbon at #1.

Andy -- I think "mjpinciaro" only responded like he did because you opened your post with the statement that your inning criteria was there "to weed out some guys like Papelbon who haven’t been in the league since 2004."

It's always fun to try and prove that someone is or is not the best or the worst or whatever during any given time period simply by choosing criteria to help isolate that player. It's like how Jimmy Rollins was the only player to have 30 doubles, 20 triples, 30 homers and 40 steals in a season. Makes him into a category of one, but it's still just stats.

]]> By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1798/comment-page-1#comment-7029 Andy Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:42:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1798#comment-7029 Calm down. I didn't choose to include or exclude specific guys. I set an innings criteria and those who made it, made it. yeah you can ignore Clemens or other guys on the list who didn't pitch all 5 years if you want. Papelbon, for how impressive he has been, doesn't deserve to be at the top of this particular list because he hasn't done it for 6 seasons yet. Calm down. I didn't choose to include or exclude specific guys. I set an innings criteria and those who made it, made it. yeah you can ignore Clemens or other guys on the list who didn't pitch all 5 years if you want. Papelbon, for how impressive he has been, doesn't deserve to be at the top of this particular list because he hasn't done it for 6 seasons yet.

]]> By: mjpinciaro http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1798/comment-page-1#comment-7028 mjpinciaro Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:39:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1798#comment-7028 I don't follow your logic on why you chose "to weed out some guys like Papelbon who haven’t been in the league since 2004". Roger Clemens did not pitch in the majors on 2008 but you chose to include him. Like Papelbon, he missed an entire season in your sample so why include him? If you include Clemens you should include Papelbon. Papelbon has pitched in 5 seasons, 2005 through 2009, Billy Wagner and Justin Duchschere pitched from 2004 to 2008, also 5 season each, and you saw fit to include them. I think you really need to include Papelbon here or leave out Clemens, Wagner and Duchschere. I don't follow your logic on why you chose "to weed out some guys like Papelbon who haven’t been in the league since 2004". Roger Clemens did not pitch in the majors on 2008 but you chose to include him. Like Papelbon, he missed an entire season in your sample so why include him? If you include Clemens you should include Papelbon. Papelbon has pitched in 5 seasons, 2005 through 2009, Billy Wagner and Justin Duchschere pitched from 2004 to 2008, also 5 season each, and you saw fit to include them. I think you really need to include Papelbon here or leave out Clemens, Wagner and Duchschere.

]]> By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1798/comment-page-1#comment-7026 kingturtle Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:28:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1798#comment-7026 i was only thinking of starting pitchers, and my guess was Johan Santana, and technically was right, because i'd set the innings at 162*6 seasons, or 972 innings pitched. :) i was only thinking of starting pitchers, and my guess was Johan Santana, and technically was right, because i'd set the innings at 162*6 seasons, or 972 innings pitched. :)

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