Comments on: Best season by a 29-year-old catcher (Hello, Mike Napoli!) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Επιλογή Domain Name http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-185371 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:59:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-185371 Επιλογή Domain Name...

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By: Dan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177961 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:56:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177961 These comparisons of players from year to year throughout baseball history are always interesting. Some of you may be aware but there is currently an All-Time Fantasy draft going on over at Nfbc.Stats.com of which I am taking part. Check it out if your interested. http://nfbcboards.stats.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

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By: Richard Chester http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177911 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:56:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177911 @87

Ditto Connie Marrero who entered the ML at age 39 and had his peak year at 41.

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By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177896 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:30:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177896 I meant to say Diomedes Olivo. Yet another typo!

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By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177895 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:28:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177895 As for late peaks;

How about Olivo, the reliever for the Pirates who didn't even make the majors until he was past forty. Would you say that his "peak year" was his age 41 season?

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177786 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:06:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177786 @84/ Doug -

I think Williams could have played another year or two at a high level, he just would've played a few less games so that wouldn't get worn down. If you look at 1956-1960 and ignore 1959 (the neck injury), it's a gradual but steady decrease in games played.

Yaz, nowhere the hitter that Williams was (but still pretty good till the end), DH'ed regularly till almost age 44.

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By: Richard Chester http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177779 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:57:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177779 @83

After 3 consecutive seasons with BAs of .255, .275 and .288 Stan Musial rebounded to hit .330 at age 41.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177766 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:32:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177766 @83.

Other players with Williams abilities (some imaginary players, I guess) might have gone on for several more years as a DH. Somehow, I don't think Williams would have.

If Williams couldn't play at the highest level (and had no prospects for returning to that level), I don't think he would have stuck around. But, that's just based on what I've read about him, and sensed about him from some of the filmed interviews I've seen.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177750 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:06:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177750 @82/ Doug -
I understand what you are saying; James also called it the "age 37" season phenomenom; an aging player will realize his physical skills arre slipping, and train extra-hard.

But while Wheat had his best offensive years at 36/37, he probably wasn't quite the defensive OFer he was in his 20s, so his overall value may not have clearly been the highest at 36-37. WAR does suggest 36-37 as his peak, though 26-28 is almost as good.

Ted Williams is kind of an exception to this peak stuff, as his only "off" year wasn't until age-40 in 1959, when he suffered much of the year from from a pinched nerve in his neck, and he couldn't turn his head to watch the baseball without difficulty. Now that's what I call a real "pain in the neck"...

Can you imagine how many more years Williams could have played with the DH around?

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16059/comment-page-1#comment-177742 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:32:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=16059#comment-177742 @81.

I think Bill James called the one-season, late 30s revival, the "last hurrah" phenomenon.

Ted Williams had a season like that - he was playing at a high level right to the end, but had a monster season in 1957 or 1958. More recently, I recall Benito Santiago (just to pick someone who comes immediately to mind) had a "last hurrah" type season a few years ago. But, in almost all cases, this would not be a peak season, just a very good season similar to a player's peak.

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