Comments on: Career HR Totals Of Those To Have Multi-HR World Series Game http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: The Chief (tm) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-176095 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:44:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-176095 @8 Ed,

Thanks for the heads-up on WAR vs. oWAR. I *had* looked at it the latter, and some of those other figures, but wasn't too sure about the impact that the defense and baserunning would have had overall. It just seemed that Curtis' offensive contribution was vastly better in '97 than in '98, and I thought WAR alone would have reflected this more strongly. Now I see that there's more to that measure than just the offense, and that it doesn't necessarily reflect "contribution per game".

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-176026 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:11:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-176026 @15/ Ed -
It's still the responsibility of the baseball announcers to understand/ explain the context for comparing post-season records.

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By: Ed http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175981 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:07:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175981 @13/14

If you have an issue, take it up with Baseball Reference. The numbers are on their website:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/Playoffs_batting.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/Playoffs_pitching.shtml

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175973 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:42:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175973 @13/ Frank -
Great point, Frank. It drives me crazy when baseball announcers compare the postseason records of recent players with that of older (pre-1969) all-time great players on an equal basis. Of course (for example... ) Derek Jeter has more of almost everything than Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, what with appearing in the playoffs (and often multiple rounds) almost every year of his career.

If you are going to compare current/recent players to older (pre-1969) players, compare the World Series records ONLY. Otherwise, it's like comparing HR totals of deadball-era players with those of the past couple decades - not really meaningful.

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By: Frank http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175940 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:45:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175940 @4 - Please don't compare "post-season" records with WS records. They are two entirely different sets of statistics. Who knows how many "post-season" games Ruth or Mantle would have played in had there been two extra rounds of play back in their day. You can compare Albert and Manny all you want, but the fact remains that Albert has a total of 4 WS homers (3 of which came in one game). Ruth had 15 and Mantle 18. Still a ways to go to catch them. Not going to happen.

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By: Frank Clingenpeel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175907 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:50:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175907 #3, #11;

And let's not forget Bennie Kauff entirely. He was acquitted of car theft charges, but his banishment from baseball is testimony to the opinions about his game-fixing and other activities. Maybe not a candidate to be Big Bubba's date at the prison dance, but not a fair-haired boy, either.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175626 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:15:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175626 @3 Willie Aikens has spent some time behind bars, both during and after his major league career.

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By: Albert Pujols, Reggie Jackson, Babe Ruth and Players with Multiple Home Runs in a Single World Series Game « SPORTS LIST OF THE DAY http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175589 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:30:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175589 [...] Career HR Totals of Those to Have Multi-HR World Series Game [...]

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By: groundball http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175550 Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:31:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175550 @7

Well, I did used to think WAR was a meaningful stat. But, of late, I have come to the conclusion that it seems a bit too random to be of much use to me.

And I remember when Curtis came up with the Angels (approx. the same time as Tim Salmon, give or take maybe a year).

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By: Ed http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15966/comment-page-1#comment-175549 Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:28:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15966#comment-175549 @7 The Chief

You're comparing apples and oranges to an extent. The WAR numbers you cite include defense and baserunning. Curtis had a -1.0 dWAR in '97 and +0.9 dWAR in '98. So if you look just at his offensive WAR (oWAR), he was at 2.1 in '97 and 1.8 in '98.

Of course, oWAR includes the "baserunning" components of WAR as well: Rbaser, Rroe, Rdp. Curtis had -1 baserunning runs in '97 and +4 in '98. Not sure exactly how those numbers effect his oWAR but clearly they hurt his '97 number and help his '98 oWAR.

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