Comments on: Choices, choices: Utley’s dash, Albert’s throw http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: jimmy vc http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164745 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:39:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164745 Utley is a great baserunner and ysually that play is sucessful 90 per cent of the tim.. very few first basemen have good arms and would risk the throw.
Guys like Mattingly, Grace, and Mex made that play often... lefthanded has nothing to do with it..
#16, you are qualified if you played the game and know how to play it correctly...lose the attitude...

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By: Brian Gunn http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164647 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:53:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164647 You mean just like Pujols went 4-5 with three doubles while most of the game was in the shadows? Didn't seem to affect him much. (And that's shadows without the snarky parentheses, by the way. Pujols shouldn't have bitched about them, but no one on either team -- nor any of the broadcasters or people watching at home -- would deny that they weren't real and hazardous.)

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By: Rocky Calhoun http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164598 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:38:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164598 The old saying goes you never make the first or third out at third.

Albert made a nice play, but I do not consider it worthy of all this ink. Utley was running the bases like Pujols, maybe that is why Albert recognized Utley making the move to third.

Good thing for Albert it was at night or he could have lost the play in the afternoon "shadows" at Busch Stadium and missed out on all of these adulation's.

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By: deal http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164590 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:27:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164590 In my opinion everybody involved made the right play. I think it was worth the risk to force a tag play at 3b. I think most 1b would take the sure out rather than going to 3rd.

I think the Play Utley made on Aki Iwamura in GM 5 of the 08 WS is more similar to this play then Damon stealing 3rd on the Phils in he 09 WS.

I think all 3 runners (Damon Iwamura and Utley) knew the were taking the extra base on all 3 plays prior to the play ever starting Utley didn't calculate odds on the fly - he knew he was stealing and he knew on a ball hit to short or third he would try and get to 3rd.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164326 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:42:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164326 Good play by Pujols. He knew he had Utley if he comes off the bag early, so why not take the lead runner if he makes himself easy pickings.

Which, of course, means it was a bad play by Utley. But, mostly because there were no outs. If there was one out, then it's a more defensible play, particularly since it would probably be a successful play most of the time. As several others have said, I also believe most first basemen would take the routine out and then throw late to third or (more likely) not throw to third at all.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164319 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:25:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164319 @7.

"Ryan Howard cou;dn't have made the same play because he's left-handed."

Would like someone to explain that. On a throw from 1st to 3rd, I can't see why a left-hander couldn't do that just as easily as a right-hander. In fact, seems like it would be a bit easier for a left-hander.

The left-hander, after taking a throw from short, doesn't have to throw across his body, so he can catch and throw to third almost in one motion. The right-hander has to take a shuffle step (as John mentioned @14) to square himself to the target and avoid throwing across his body.

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By: Boxified: What happens when Utley runs on Pujols – Squaretender http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164310 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:07:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164310 [...] Baseball-Reference questions whether it was as smart play or not, and ESPN’s SweetSpot blog post by David Schoenfield¬†called it “remarkable in its instinct and awareness.” [...]

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By: JohnBoy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164289 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 06:18:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164289 Utley was overly aggressive and Pujols was thinking on his feet. Great play to watch with excellent execution by Pujols.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164239 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:13:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164239 @33, Phil -- Well, but ... Utley had no idea that he was risking the first out; he's assuming that they get the out at 1st base, so he's trying to reach 3rd with 1 out.

I still don't think it was the best move, but I realize that the game happens a lot faster than I can think. Utley had the base stolen clean and thought he had a chance to make a super hustle play.

It didn't work, but to me, as a mild Utley fan (not a Phillies fan), it's nice to see him moving well of late, given his injuries and subpar hitting this year.

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By: Phil http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15675/comment-page-1#comment-164200 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:33:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15675#comment-164200 It was inexcusable for Utley to make the first out at third.

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