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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163794 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:59:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163794 John, he has certainly said many things along those lines, i.e. that he doesn't like the overall framework, doesn't think it's good for the game, needs to be looked at, etc. But this year he also specifically whined about not being able to play Gonzalez and Ortiz in the same game, ignoring the fact that it's the limitations of his own team personnel that cause the problem. (In other words, if they could really play Gonzalez in RF consistently, et al, they could get both into the games.)
I'm not sure if he was whining to make excuses for his team, or if he was actually criticizing Theo Epstein for the makeup of the team, but either way it was a mistake.

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By: John http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163792 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:53:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163792 Hold on, let's back up. I don't remember his ever framing the interleague question that "the Red Sox are at a disadvantage." I'm pretty sure he consistently pointed out that BOTH sides are forced to play several games a year by a different set of rules, than those for which they constructed their roster.

He has a philosophical issue with interleague. He IS allowed to have that opinion, correct? Now, perhaps he voices it more stridently than others, and perhaps that's because he's been one of the few AL managers with a full-time DH in the middle of the order. (I guess we'll see, if his next team has a less league-specific construction...) But his objections haven't been "this isn't fair to us" as much as they've been "this system is flawed."

At least, that's always how *I* heard it.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163768 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:22:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163768 Yeah, we've touched on this on another thread, but the NYY-DET series is the most interesting post-season series I've seen in a long time, all because of the skipped off day. I wish to hell that they would play it like this every year. Make the DS 5 consecutive days, and make the LCS 9 games with 1 or 2 off days, and the WS 11 games with 2 or 3 off days.

Baseball also has, I think, the fewest post-season games relative to the length of its regular season to determine the winner. Think about it--NFL seasons are nearly exactly 1/10th the length of MLB seasons. An NFL team plays 3 or 4 post-season games to win the title (depending on whether they have a bye) which equates to 30 to 40 games of MLB. But an actual MLB team can play a maximum of 5 DS games, 7 LCS games, and 7 WS games, or 17 games, and more likely even the champion will play only 13 or 14 games. That's a hell of a lot less than 30 to 40. So the post-season fate of a team hinges on a very small number of games. What's the point? Give me 7/9/11 instead of 5/7/7.

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By: Mike L http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163766 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:16:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163766 I'm with Andy on this.

Francona whined-the fact is that everyone plays the same amount of interleague games, and all AL teams have to give up the usage of the DH, and that's the way it is. He's at no comparative disadvantage to the only group that matters-all the other AL teams. And if whining creates a depressed atmosphere, than maybe he could cost his team.

Andy is also touching on another key point, which is the distortion that the playoff schedule creates. Watching the Yankee-Tiger series, I found it appealing that the rain-out forced the Yankees to trot out Burnett. The playoffs should be like the regular season, only more intense. We shouldn't make it easy for teams to use a three man rotation. Part of the drama is having unexpected heros.

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By: John http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163751 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:54:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163751 Very true, Andy. I believe it was Bill Parcells who said, "You give a team an excuse to lose, and they will."

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163750 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:51:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163750 #57, I think this sort of topic just brings out a lot of strong emotions in people--it's not that there are so many haters, per se.

I certainly agree that there are problems with interleague play, just like there has been a fundamental problem with the World Series since the DH was adopted in 1973. Just like with so many off days during the playoffs allowing teams to mainly go with 3 starting pitchers, it irritates me when the rules deviate from the way the majority of games are played during the regular season. The idea that an AL team cannot use its DH in NL-based interleague or World Series games, or that the NL team is forced to find a DH in AL-based interleague or World Series games, is simply ludicrous.

I agree with Francona there.

The problem is him whining about the specific disadvantage to his team when all of the AL teams face the same thing with road interleague games. He started making excuses before those games and continued making them during games, all while his club pissed away 4 out of 6 games against the Pirates and Padres. I have a very hard time believing that his players tried their absolute best and were as focused as they could be when their manager is leading then down the Canyon of Whiners. If he shuts up, or simply says "those are the rules and we simply have to do our best with the situation", maybe his team goes 4-2 or 3-3 instead of 2-4 and gets to the playoffs.

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By: Timothy P. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163744 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:40:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163744 In 2003 I was working for a large agribusiness outfit in Kansas City and it was a great year by the time October rolled around. I had a fancy title, but really I was a salesman. I and others in the office would often work into the evening as was necessary, even when the Cubs were playing the Braves in the playoffs. I think it was game 1 between the Cubs and Braves that found us still in the office that night when a screaming match started among the staff because of my insistence on having a television brought into the office to watch the game. It was an incredibly competitive workplace and on occasion fights broke out for what to outsiders must have seemed like the dumbest reasons. This was an office where your manhood was measured everyday on whether or not you were able to sell. This night I prevailed and was rewarded when Kerry Wood destroyed the Braves. Wood pitched great, but when he doubled to drive in the go ahead runs I was forced to stand up and parade around the office taunting my fellow salesmen and a few secretaries left at that late hour. It was our year! The rest of the series went the Cubs way and we were on our way the series. Before the NLCS started with the Marlins I was playing golf on a course in eastern Kansas not too far from the Leavenworth federal pen when I fainted on the course. Talk about your bad timing. The next day I went into the doctor and told him about what happened and he sent me to the hospital. He and I argued about whether or it was necessary I go to the Hospital right away and I explained to him that the Cubs were getting ready to play the Marlins to see who was going to the world series. He insisted so I went to the emergency room. Needless to say the other men at the office were now actively cheering against the Cubs in the hope that I would be humiliated. In October in the mid-west, baseball takes a back seat to football, but because of me and the fact I was the number one salesman for 4 years in a row the series between the Cubs and Marlins became important at our office. I was subjected to taunts about the Cubs past misfortunes. The people at my office were whispering about me missing work so I could watch the Cubs play the Marlins, but I was really in the hospital. Some of my coworkers even started calling around to all the area hospitals to find out if I was really sick. Lucky for me Dr. Sandeep Palkar was on loan from a hospital in London the day I went into the ER. Dr. Palkar is a fantastic cardiologist and was also at a fellow at a local Catholic college in the area and was the first to see me in the ER. Dr. Palkar and I were arguing about the need for me to stay in hospital when the lab results came back. The Dr. explained that I had recently had a heart attack and that must stay regardless of any baseball games. Dr. Palkar was not familiar with baseball because he was a foreigner.

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By: John http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163742 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:36:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163742 Geez, Andy. Why do you have so many haters here?

Regarding Francona making excuses: he's sorta being accused of that again, after his close-to-the-vest interview on a local radio station last night. I personally think he's demonstrating his unwillingness to air dirty laundry. (He does want another job, after all.)

Although I'll say: he's complained about interleague play almost throughout his time in Boston. He finds it ludicrous that his team is constructed for one set of rules, and then they play with another set of rules for a dozen or so games in the middle of the season. The argument does have a logic to it.

(Personally, I like interleague play, although I think the DH rule should be used according to the VISITING team, not the home team, so that the fans get to watch the other style.)

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By: Timothy P. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15631/comment-page-1#comment-163719 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:51:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15631#comment-163719 @55 Ok Andy, I'll find it.

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