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POLL: 2011 American League Cy Young

Posted by Andy on October 5, 2011

We still have two polls, but since the AL vote is a lock, I decided to make it more interesting by adding multiple entries for Verlander. This should keep him from running away with it!



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50 Responses to “POLL: 2011 American League Cy Young”

  1. How can you tell which one you voted for? I'm rooting for my Verlander (the second to last one) but I have no idea if he's winning.

  2. Sorry, the second poll got swallowed up. It's there now.

  3. Where's Bruce Chen?

  4. Chen is stuck on a train left in limbo somewhere between Kansas City and Boston.

  5. i know this one's from way behind the backstop, but at least it's a Tigers question; anyone know who johnny bassler was (without looking)?

  6. Like the ballot. Reminds one of Florida in 2000.

  7. No hanging chads here.

  8. Mets Maven Says:

    I wish my Mets had five Justin Verlanders.

  9. LOL!! That was awesome Andy!

  10. Dukeofflatbush Says:

    #1David,

    You have no idea what you’re talking about and have no place on a baseball site.
    The third Verlander is the obvious choice.

    @8 MetsMaven
    Lets not get greedy. 3/4 of a Verlander is an upgrade. Remember Pelfry was our # 1 last year. Next year, if Santana is not 'ready' for opening day, we may go with RA as our # 1, which begs the question, what team had a knuckler as their # 1. I’m gonna have to guess the Marlins with Charlie Hough.

  11. Dukeofflatbush Says:

    At MM
    Yes Hough was the last (I guess?) knuckler to start a season for the ’94 Marlins. He was also 46 that year. I wonder if he was the oldest #1 as well?
    Any one know?

  12. The results show me that the randomizing function doesn't work all that well--otherwise how the hell can one Verlander (the first one) be getting twice as many votes as another?

  13. Mets Maven Says:

    @10

    You're correct, Duke. I would settle for one Justin Verlan.

  14. Oldest opening day starters since 1980:

    Rk Player Age Date Tm Opp Rslt App,Dec IP H R ER BB SO HR Pit Str GSc
    1 Charlie Hough 46.090 1994-04-05 FLA LAD L 3-4 GS-6 6.0 6 2 2 2 2 0 84 50 52
    2 Phil Niekro 46.007 1985-04-08 NYY BOS L 2-9 GS-4 ,L 4.0 5 5 5 5 3 2 30
    3 Tommy John 45.317 1989-04-04 NYY MIN W 4-2 GS-7 ,W 7.0 10 2 2 2 3 0 107 63 50
    4 Charlie Hough 45.090 1993-04-05 FLA LAD W 6-3 GS-6 ,W 6.0 6 3 3 2 4 1 95 63 50
    5 Nolan Ryan 45.066 1992-04-06 TEX SEA W 12-10 GS-5 4.1 5 3 1 1 4 0 74 53 48
    6 Gaylord Perry 44.202 1983-04-05 SEA NYY W 5-4 GS-5 5.0 8 4 4 0 2 2 37
    7 Nolan Ryan 44.067 1991-04-08 TEX MIL L 4-5 GS-7 ,L 7.0 9 5 5 2 9 1 110 71 46
    8 Phil Niekro 44.003 1983-04-04 ATL CIN L 4-5 GS-7 7.0 4 4 4 2 2 2 53
    9 Jamie Moyer 43.136 2006-04-03 SEA LAA L 4-5 GS-7 6.2 9 3 3 1 2 1 80 52 45
    10 Nolan Ryan 43.068 1990-04-09 TEX TOR W 4-2 GS-5 ,W 5.0 0 0 0 4 4 0 91 52 67
    11 Randy Johnson 42.205 2006-04-03 NYY OAK W 15-2 GS-7 ,W 7.0 5 1 1 0 3 1 106 65 66
    12 Jamie Moyer 42.137 2005-04-04 SEA MIN W 5-1 GS-6 ,W 5.2 5 1 0 0 4 0 95 57 61
    13 David Wells 41.318 2005-04-03 BOS NYY L 2-9 GS-5 ,L 4.1 10 4 4 1 4 0 80 52 30
    14 Randy Johnson 41.205 2005-04-03 NYY BOS W 9-2 GS-6 ,W 6.0 5 1 1 2 6 0 95 60 62
    15 Kenny Rogers 41.144 2006-04-03 DET KCR W 3-1 GS-6 ,W 6.0 3 1 1 0 5 0 81 54 67
    16 Tom Seaver 41.141 1986-04-07 CHW MIL L 3-5 GS-6 ,L 5.1 7 5 5 0 3 2 37
    17 Jamie Moyer 41.140 2004-04-06 SEA ANA L 5-10 GS-6 ,L 5.2 8 6 6 1 1 3 94 63 29
    18 Steve Carlton 41.106 1986-04-07 PHI CIN L 4-7 GS-5 ,L 4.0 9 7 7 2 0 2 14
    19 Charlie Hough 41.089 1989-04-04 TEX DET W 4-0 SHO9 ,W 9.0 5 0 0 2 5 0 128 77 80
    20 Phil Niekro 41.008 1980-04-09 ATL CIN L 0-9 GS-2 ,L 2.0 5 6 4 3 2 1 25
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  15. Oldest opening day starters, 1950-1979:

    Rk Player Age Date Tm Opp Rslt App,Dec IP H R ER BB SO HR GSc
    1 Warren Spahn 42.357 1964-04-14 MLN SFG L 4-8 GS-8 ,L 7.1 8 6 6 2 3 3 39
    2 Early Wynn 41.094 1961-04-10 CHW WSA W 4-3 GS-2 2.0 5 3 3 1 1 0 34
    3 Warren Spahn 40.352 1962-04-10 MLN SFG L 0-6 GS-4 ,L 3.2 8 6 5 1 3 1 25
    4 Gaylord Perry 40.202 1979-04-05 SDP LAD W 4-3 GS-8 ,W 8.0 5 3 3 1 4 1 63
    5 Early Wynn 40.104 1960-04-19 CHW KCA W 10-9 GS-5 4.1 6 5 4 3 1 1 31
    6 Phil Niekro 40.005 1979-04-06 ATL HOU L 1-2 CG 8 ,L 8.0 3 2 2 2 5 0 71
    7 Connie Marrero 39.357 1951-04-17 WSH PHA W 6-1 CG 9 ,W 9.0 7 1 1 2 6 0 73
    8 Warren Spahn 39.353 1961-04-11 MLN STL L 1-2 CG 10 ,L 10.0 6 2 2 2 1 1 71
    9 Diego Segui 39.232 1977-04-06 SEA CAL L 0-7 GS-4 ,L 3.2 5 6 4 3 3 1 31
    10 Gaylord Perry 39.204 1978-04-07 SDP SFG W 3-2 GS-6 6.0 4 2 2 0 8 0 64
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  16. Check out entries 13 and 14 in post #14 above...RJ and Wells started against each other in 2005. I wonder if that's the oldest opening day matchup?

  17. Well in 1994 Hough opposed Hershiser, who was 35 that year, so the total compared to Wells-RJ might be similar.

  18. hanging chad Says:

    hough oldest opening day shutout

  19. el oh el

  20. No Jose Valverde aka Papa Grande aka Big Potato?

  21. @5 - A catcher for the 34 Tigers?

  22. @brett. yea. he was. but tryin to point out statistical anomalies such as he to a group of people who i thought were into such things is like pulling teeth; not pleasant. short and sweet, yea, sure, i guess he was a 34 tiger. thanks for tryin to bury the hatchet brett. more man than some in here. if not a site like baseball reference dot com to ask a baseball question without getting 'hung' out to dry, where then?

  23. twenty one to twenty seven

  24. HA! Great idea!

  25. @Jbird - I'm in a Strat-O league that combines 20, 24 & 34. I have his 24 card on my team. He's ridiculous!!!! I regret the error. :-)

  26. @12 Andy,

    If there is one thing we have learned about Statistics on this site...

    It is all about the sample size - at this point, all of the Verlanders have vote totals in the 30's.

  27. @brett,

    sounds cool! sorry if any of that steam i was letting off seeped your way. the silence is the pudding. either way, you're awesome!

  28. JBird @ 5 I skipped right down so if someone has answered this already, I apologize: Brasler was a catcher for the Tigers in the 1920's. And a pretty good one at that, at least as far as MVP voters were concerned.

  29. And by the way, I knew that because Bill James talks about him in The Historical Abstract, not because I looked him up.

    And as for list #2 @ 15: it looks like just about every one either a) played after 1977 or b) was named Spahn

  30. Matt Vandermast Says:

    @Jbird,

    If I recall correctly from the first [i]Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract,[/i] Johnny Bassler was a Tigers catcher whose vote totals in 1920s MVP voting were surprisingly high. I'm almost positive he walked a lot, too. (Obviously, I could check that on the site, but your question asks us not to look.)

  31. Matt Vandermast Says:

    P.S. Sorry about the italics.

  32. Where was my David Robertson choice?

  33. Robertson nearly made the cut...

  34. great stuff, y'all. i just stumbled upon him today and wondered if anyone knew of him. by his numbers, it seemed, people should, but a lot is lost with the passage of time, so i just wanted to make sure. i was surprised by his peak appearances (135) yet his consistency during the meatball of his career with detroit. rock on!

  35. Luis Gomez Says:

    I think Dan Haren belongs in those lists.

  36. Haren just missed the cut.

  37. @16, @17

    Re: Oldest Opening Day Matchups

    I believe these games are the only ones since 1919 with combined age exceeding 80 years.

    - 2005-04-03, 83.158, Randy Johnson (41.205), David Wells (41.318)
    - 1931-04-15, 82.266, Jack Quinn (47.287), Tom Zachary (34.344)
    - 1949-04-19, 82.003, Rip Sewell (41.343), Dutch Leonard (40.025)
    - 1994-04-05, 81.291, Charlie Hough (46.090), Orel Hershiser (35.201)

  38. Thanks Doug. Weird that I happened to check the 1 other game out of 4 since 1919 that make that list.

  39. Johnny Basler always finishes with a .400 career OBP in my OOTP historical sims. Lots of walks. That's about it. 'Without looking' I presume that's his strength, like 'camera eye' max bishop

  40. I just want to know what this father was thinking, five sons named Justin! I think it was funny when George Forman did it...this just isn't the same.

    ( But props for the killer sperm )

  41. @31: use instead. It's more semantic ;)

  42. er...<em>

  43. Hilarious post! Justin Verlander is the obvious and pretty much indisputably correct answer. However much of his results are based on luck, he's been the most successful pitcher, and his underlying performance is still so excellent that the low BABIP shouldn't matter much. All great seasons need a tidbit of luck anyway.

  44. Looks like the randomizer caught up some.

  45. Mark in Sydney Says:

    Over on the Onion they reckon it should be Adam Dunn. They say "Dunn's historic performance this season did more for American League pitching than anyone who actually took the mound".

    They got a point there.

  46. Of the 20 or so people in the Baseball Prospectus poll, one guy voted for Sabathia. We batted this around on a message board I'm on--what was he thinking?--and the explanations offered were a) stronger division, b) Verlander's BABIP, and c) Sabathia's better fielding-independent ERA (a stat I'm just becoming familiar with). The first reason struck me as weak (Sabathia didn't have to face the Yankees, so he's left with 9 starts vs. the Red Sox/Rays, while Verlander had six vs. the Red Sox/Yankees/Rays); the second as irrelevant (probably a useful predictor for next season, but for this one who cares?--results are results); and the third as grasping at straws.

  47. Charlie Hough---my hero. He was the last major league player who was older than me.

  48. John Autin Says:

    Johnny Bassler's 5.4 walk-to-strikeout ratio is 2nd only to Joe Sewell since 1901 (min. 1,000 PAs).

  49. hot dog, autin. that's where it's at. i knew with those numbers, there'd be more.

    with this guy, it was ball in play; and if it wasn't, it was ball four, not whiff.

  50. @cheese, or anyone: what's 'ootp'?