Comments on: Poll: 2011 American League MVP http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: JAN http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-169724 Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:20:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-169724 MVP SHOULD NOT BEA PITCHER. IT SHOULD BE AN EVERYDAY PLAYER.

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By: A Military Veteran http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-167369 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:50:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-167369 Pitchers are not MVPs, they are CY winners. Big difference, If pitchers played every day, every other day, or even every two days, and could hit. Yes MVP, but they do a great job for 7 or 8 innings, then give way to the bullpen, and forget about extra innings they are a fan then, they are showered or in the club house by the 11 or 12th inning.

MVP should be Speed and Power, and players with at least 30/30 numbers. 30 homers and 30 stolen bases, 300 plus Batting Average, a high OBP. That Boston Center Fielder is a good one for example.

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By: Drew http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163645 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:29:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163645 Don't get me wrong; Valverde's been great in high leverage situations. He's in the top 10 for all pitchers this season, and has had a solid relief pitching year. A valuable player, especially in the role he has, maybe good enough for top 12 CY consideration and top 25 MVP, but there's no way he was MORE valuable than everyone else in the league, including of course Verlander.

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By: Drew http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163638 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:17:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163638 That's not really an argument.

That's like me saying, "Well, since the really bad fielding Jeter's won some Gold Gloves, then really bad fielders should be in contention for Gold Glove awards."

The voters are perpetually misinformed. They see 45 to 50 saves and immediately throw a guy Cy Young votes. 45 3-out saves in low leverage situations are meaningless. Valverde was worth one win this season; I'm sure there are 25+ starters with virtually zero MVP consideration who were at least worth that much.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163627 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:57:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163627 I seems you Verlander bigots are giving him bonus points for sitting on the bench and cheerleading Valverde and Cabrera during the 128 Tiger games that he didn't play in.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163622 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:46:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163622 Oops! Fingers won CY/MVP in 1981, not 1991....

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163620 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:44:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163620 "Saves aren't so valuable..."

Drew,
How did you determine saves are not so valuable.? If not, why do managers remove pitchers like Kershaw and Verlander for the Guerras and Valverdes? Answer: because the probablity of winning INCREASES. Fifty years ago, complete games had more value than saves. That is now reversed.

Why did Eckersly (1992), Bedrosian (1987), Hernandez (1984) and Fingers (1991) win CY Youngs. Why did all but Bedrosian also win MVP?

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By: Drew http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163608 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:02:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163608 Saves aren't so valuable in and of themselves. Relievers shouldn't win unless they pitch 125 innings, get 3-inning saves, and strikeout 12 per 9IP.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163597 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:21:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163597 My point in #147 is the Tigers had the Justice League (three superheroes ) performing for them this year by any and all measures - personal stats, team value and pennant points. Why are we having this ridiculous argument that Verlander's performance (and value) so overwhelmed Valverde's and Cabrera's that he deserves BOTH the Cy Young and MVP awards and they deserve nothing?

Did they not play in the same games for the same pennant winning team. Where is the conversion chart that says 24 wins is more valuable than 49 saves and offensive stats of 344 BA/30 HRs/111 Runs/105 RBI/1.033 OPS ?

It seems to me the Tigers season is best explained by acknowledging they have arguably the two best pitchers and the best hitter in the American League. Why are posters pretending otherwise just to award Verlander TWO trophies?

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15420/comment-page-2#comment-163580 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 06:33:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15420#comment-163580 Miguel Cabrera is clearly the most valuable Tiger this yar and should be the AL MVP for all the same reasons made by the Verlander bigots wishing to re-twist their value-added pretzel. He's arguably the best hitter in baseball this year. I suggest you compare his numbers to AL and NL MVPs over the last ten years (Should we discount Bond's steroid era numbers)?

Jose Valverde is the 2nd most valuable Tiger and should be preferred over Verlander for exactly the same reasons (49 saves in 49 opportunites dwarfs 24 wins, partcularly when Jose save d14 of Justin's 24 wins). Compare Valverde's numbers to Dennis Eckerly's CY/MVP year in 1992 (51 saves) and Willie Hernandez CY/MVP year in 1984 (34 saves). No one has mentioned Valverde as a legitmate CY or MVP candidate?

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