Comments on: Most homers in final season http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-159037 Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:24:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-159037 Most home runs by a pitcher in his final season:

5, Jim Tobin, Bos (N)-Det, 1945

3, Tommy Byrne, NY (A), 1957
3, Ernie Wingard, St.L. (A), 1927

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By: Cheese http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158564 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:18:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158564 Just for fun:

Vaughn
G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS
68 312 52 76 7 2 24 60 39 .290/.391/.607/.998
72 324 46 89 21 1 15 66 29 .309/.386/.545/.931

BOS: 39-29 (+3.0) Pre-AS; 47-29 (+7.0) Post-AS

Belle
G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS
67 294 52 81 27 1 14 51 31 .312/.384/.585/.969
76 337 69 92 25 0 36 75 42 .322/.415/.787/1.202

CLE: 46-21 (+12.0) Pre-AS; 54-23 (+30.0) Post-AS

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158558 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:07:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158558 @115/ If you're merely (among) the best hitters in the league, as was Belle, the writers can rationalize not giving him awards. If you are historically great, as was Barry Bonds, it's impossible for the writers to ignore you.

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By: Cheese http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158553 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:57:32 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158553 Yikes, how bad with the press do you have to be if you can't get the MVP with that season but Jeff Kent can!

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By: rick http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158493 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:55:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158493 "I think Kong was a victim of his own declining skill set."

Does one skill count as a set? Whether it does or not, at the end of his career, his one skill, hitting home runs, was still very much in working order. During his career, if a team wanted Kong, it was because they wanted a guy to hit 30 home runs a season and pretty much nothing else. Any hope of Kingman being anything more than the most one-dimensional player in the game had dissipated by the mid-70's. I guess in 1987, none of the powers that be wanted a player of Kingman's all too specific talents.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158490 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:47:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158490 @24/ Zachary Says: Ted Williams' career still astonishes me. The guy was just insanely good. I also just love his story - came from tough circumstances, worked his way to the top of the nation's pastime, gave up almost five years of his prime to be a marine pilot, and then topped it off by becoming one of the greatest fisherman ever..."

Zachary - I am surprised that no one has mentioned this yet, but the one purely phsical attribute that:
- hitting well at a MLB level
- fly fishing
- flying as a marine pilot

all have in common, is extraordinary eye-hand coordination. Plus, all are some what solitary accomplishments. Ted Williams took his physical gifts and developed them to the highest level possible.

1995 AL MVP: Belle vs.Vaughn -
Belle and Vaughn were tied for the AL lead with 121 RBI, plus their other mainstream stats were close enough that the writers could attribute enough of the "intangibles" to Vaughn. Plus, there was the fact that Belle piled up a lot of his numbers when the Indians already had a big lead.

It wasn't so much that the writers liked Vaughn (though he was legitimately well-liked throughout baseball), but that Albert Belle was absolutely _DESPISED_ by the writers. There is also no legitimate reason that he was dropped from the HOF voting as quickly as he was (two years).

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By: Jaxx http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158481 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:22:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158481 @102

If I remember that season correctly, Cunningham was used only on 3rd and Long, for the dual threat of being able to pass or run for a first down. Credit Buddy Ryan with that genius of a game plan. So in Cunningham's defense teams knew it was a pass play, and were coming for him.

As a young fan, it was quite exciting to have him come in the game (similar to the excitement of seeing today's teams line-up in a "wildcat"). But as a more sophisticated fan, I see that it was a pretty dumb thing to do.

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By: Jeff http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158465 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:46:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158465 @1

Ted stated in his book that he was offered $100,000 for 1961 and that he could just pinch hit if he chose to. But he was ready to retire. He said in retrospect that if he had known Carl Yastrzemski would come along in 1961, he might have hung on for another year.

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By: Skeeb Wilcox http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158443 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:42:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158443 I was watching a Pirates game back in the early 90's when they did the nightly "Trivia Question": "Who hit the most home runs in their final year in Major League Baseball"? I was immediately dialing on the phone to try to get in to let them know it was Dave Kingman. I could not get through and went back to watching the game. Next half inning they announced the winner and the correct answer: Ted Williams.

Must have been in '93. Things kinda went downhill around there, you know...

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By: jimmyv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348/comment-page-2#comment-158428 Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:14:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15348#comment-158428 Belle was an awesome hitter...he may have not been warm and fuzzy off the field but neither was Cobb, Speaker, or Hornsby all who were alleged
Klansmen.. funny thing about Belle, he was an Eagle Scout,,,,,
Williams at age 42 hitting .316 with 29 homers and only 41 strikeouts...
They guy came back from two wars, the second at age 34 and he hit .388 at age 38.. great fisherman and his friends in Boston were theater ushers and cops and you would'nt want to have a meal with him and pick his brain... the Boston Media killed him especially a guy named Dave Egan, who wrote when Braves manager Casey Stengel got hit by a cab that the guy deserved a key to the city.... those moron writers cost him at least three
MVP's and Williams never bitched...

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