Comments on: Higher strikeout total than batting average points http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-155550 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:55:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-155550 The cost of a run for that batter for every strikeout he makes is his Runs/(PA-SO). How often does he score when he doesnt strikeout? Major league average 0.14. And that's not even taking into account RBI's. RBIs/(PA-SO)= 0.13. Strikeouts are rally killers.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-155541 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:35:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-155541 0.03 runs per strikeout

I don't know how a person can come up with that, but I made my own unscientific evaluation.

In the majors this year, the top 5 pitching staffs with repect to SO/9IP averaged 8.0, the bottom 5 averaged 6.3

Top 5 SO/9IP 8.0 WHIP 1.23 R/G 3.6
Bottom 5 SO/9IP 6.3 WHIP 1.37 R/G 4.4

It's OK that everyone struck out, we would have only scored 0.81 runs anyway.

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By: The Original Jimbo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-153483 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:45:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-153483 Swinging at more pitches early in the count for example would lead to fewer strikeouts. It would also lead to fewer walks, and presumably weaker hits due to lack of selectiveness.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-153276 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:46:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-153276 at the normal BABIP rate of .300, wouldnt that be with 50ks less 15 extra hits?

Unless one follows the Chuckian school of hitting (not yet as well-known as the Lau school), there's no reason to assume he would manage a .300 BABIP with an adjusted swing focused on avoiding strikeouts. But even if he did, I have no idea how to weigh +15 hits vs whatever he might lose. I don't think there's any way to tell what he would lose.

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By: The Original Jimbo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-153246 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:45:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-153246 @43

Reynolds is hitting perfectly fine. If anything he should be the Orioles number 5 hitter, not their number 7 hitter. He could even be their number 4 hitter, his OBP and SLG are higher than Vlad Guererro's.

And Dunn got a start today and tied himself up by going 0-4 with 1 SO. He now is at .161 and 161 strikeouts.

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By: groundball http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-153171 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:35:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-153171 Oh, and in any case, I agree I dont believe Reynolds would hit more HRs most likely by cutting down 50 Ks, however, at the normal BABIP rate of .300, wouldnt that be with 50ks less 15 extra hits? So, the other question is would he lose enough BB and HRs from the change to nullify those 15 hits?

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By: groundball http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-153167 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:30:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-153167 I wouldnt say Reynolds lacks plate discipline now. He does BB sometimes.

However, on the other hand if the best argument for Reynolds Ks is that "he grounds into less double plays"........well, a better argument is needed.

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By: Mr. Dave http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-153142 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:01:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-153142 I don't get how Mark Reynolds still holds down an every day major league job. I do realize that Baltimore doesn't have much else ready to take over for him, but the fact that they traded for him at all boggles my mind. Anyone that manages to make Rob Deer, Steve Balboni and Dave Kingman look like they had plate disipline should not be allowed to play that often.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-152821 Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:39:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-152821 By the way, Chuck, the real difference between you and JT is that regardless of whether he's right, JT always gives detailed, though-out arguments, whereas you mainly spew opinions as if they are facts and expect us to simply accept them as gospel.

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By: nwicubfan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15065/comment-page-1#comment-152817 Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:36:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=15065#comment-152817 Reynolds, Cust, and Kingman are all extreme examples. Are they really the best examples of how much a strikeout is or isn't overrated? Babe Ruth led the league in strikeouts (as a hitter) 5 times, albeit players struckout less then. Reggie Jackson (all time leader) led the league 5 times as well, and finished with a carreer OPS of 139. Jim Thome (the active leader in K's), led the league 3 times, and has a career OPS of 147.

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