Comments on: 39 & Older – Playing Both 2B & Catcher In The Same Season http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Peter http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-153000 Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:07:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-153000 Ivan Rodriguez did this once as well, but it was back in 2006 and he was only 34.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200608150.shtml

I remember watching the game and saying, "wait, they put pudge where?"

he even caught a pop-up in shallow right off the bat of kevin youkilis

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By: mosc http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150976 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:33:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150976 MLB network did a nice piece on the evolution of the relief pitcher. I think people fail to understand the differences in the game between today and yesteryear when it comes to relief pitchers especially. First off, most relievers sucked through the history of baseball (with a few notable exceptions of course). The average relief ERA was higher than that of the starters (which is the opposite now). When you needed a GOOD reliever in a pressure situation, you used to use your GOOD starter.

The other thing is that guys who can't throw many pitches effectively didn't use to keep their jobs. You can only throw a cutter? Well, I guess you better learn to play football. Specialized relievers with short stamina or quirky pitches that don't work as well when you see them frequently are a modern creation. In the old days, they'd be gone but now they can be used effectively. The left handed specialist, the side-arming change of pace guy, the "Throw 98mph" guy who could only throw 94mph if you made him a starter and can't get anybody out at that velocity, etc.

Through all the offense, bullpen ERA's have improved. Complaining about relievers not being able to work <60 innings and pulling out specific examples ignores the larger trend that as reliever's workloads have decreased, their ERA+'s have skyrocketed.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150637 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:33:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150637 I know baseball will not do it because of the salaries, but I think they should add two players to the active rosters.

Why?

I fear that rosters are going to expand. I don't see any reason why they need to. Let's see who can manage their personnel better.

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By: Mike B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150552 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:49:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150552 A nice piece about three older players playing both catcher & 2B has evolved into a discussion regarding the use of pitchers. I know baseball will not do it because of the salaries, but I think they should add two players to the active rosters. Of course, these extra relief pitchers and the constant pitching changes are a big reason why games last as long as they do.

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By: Doug B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150546 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:29:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150546 I hate over-specialization. In the NFL now most teams have a player who will be on the field for maybe 4-5 plays a game, 50+ yard field goals and kickoffs. In major league baseball adding a 26th man gives us a 3rd string catcher or a 13th pitcher. Yeah!

Give me Brooks Kieschnick I say!

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By: Adam http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150451 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:39:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150451 @8

Rick Dempsey missed joining him by 10 days (he debuted 10 days after turning 20) and Hank Gowdy missed by 20 (also debuted just a little too late).

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150423 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:57:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150423 @12/ Groundball - I agree with you - as for what a manager would do with an extra position player (or two), I'd much rather have an extra pinch-hitter/ 3rd catcher/ pinch-runner/ defensive replacement, than another relief pitcher.

The extra position player(s) can be used for specific situations to help you win particular games. The 13th pitcher would be the _eighth_ best relief pitcher on the team, and usually used in "mop-up" situations, when the game is already won or lost.

Whatever happened to the third catcher anyway, has that completely dissappeared with 12-man pitching staffs? I guess the actual 3rd catcher would often be a multi-position utility guy who can play first/ third/pinch-hit, and catch in an emergency.

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By: ctorg http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150397 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:01:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150397 I'm sure the MLBPA would love to expand the rosters. 🙂

That might be more likely to happen than teams carrying fewer pitchers, actually.

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By: tbone82 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150390 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:44:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150390 I agree with #12. It seems like everyone was just starting to carry 11 pitchers in the mid-90s, when the Rockies decided to start carrying 12 and it got some media attention, although it was understandable for them considering the pre-humidor Mile High Stadium and Coors Field. Most teams seem to have one or two guys in the back of the bullpen who get hardly any work.

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By: groundball http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14927/comment-page-1#comment-150291 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:24:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14927#comment-150291 Well, 10-man pitching staffs probably arent a good idea to happen again. But, the trend towards 12-13 pitchers, is flat out stupid. 11-pitchers worked fine for many teams even a decade ago. That wouldnt be bad. If 13-pitchers is going to be where we are going we will need 26-man rosters (at least in the NL where despite the pitcher eating up a lineup spot you can probably expect 2 PH/double switches because of the pitcher in the day of the 5-IP start)

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