Comments on: Teammates With 200+ Ks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-150226 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:20:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-150226 But the 1884 NY Met(ropolitan)s did have Tim Keefe with 334 K and....Jack Lynch with 292.

Where was Mickey Welch? Well, he had 345 K for the Giants that season. He had teamed with Keefe on the Troy Trojans 1880-2. I don't know the exact history, but Troy folded and many of the Trojans (including Welch) ended up with the new NY Gothams (aka Giants). Meanwhile Keefe moved to the New York Metropolitans of the American Association for a couple seasons, before rejoining Welch with the Giants in 1885. They combined for 324 wins over the next 5 seasons. Combined with their Trojans stats, that's 434 combined victories. Can any teammates top that?

Meanwhile, 1884 was Jack Lynch's only good season. He finished with a 110-105 record, 89 ERA+.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149831 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:48:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149831 @14, Mik.

"and they (Schilling, Johnson) both got 300k's in 2002 BTW.
any other pitching pairs get to that landmark?"

Answer is No. Going all the way back to 1871, the 2002 D-Backs are the only team having 2 pitchers with 300 Ks.

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By: Jeff http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149783 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:30:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149783 Giants have a (very) outside chance at having 3 guys with 200. Lincecum already has his. Bumgarner is at 170 and Cain is at 164. With 3 starts left for each (possibly 4 for Bumgarner, whose turn would be up again on the last day of the season), they could conceivably reach 200. Cain, of course, with only 1 double-digit K game this year, and never in his career topping 12 in a game, will almost certainly finish in the 180s. But Bumgarner does have 3 10+ games in his last 6 starts, including 13 in his last start. So my guess would be, assuming we don't shut him down once we're OFFICIALLY eliminated, he'll end up in the mid 190s. Would be the first time since 1973 that 3 teams would have had 2+ guys reach 200K.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149373 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:34:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149373 Hall of Famers who struck out 200 from 1967 to 1969.

If included with the above group
The 24 and under group would be 5/14 pitched past 34, 4 HOFers
The 25 and older group would be 11/12 pitched past 34, 4 HOFers

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By: Soundbounder http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149348 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:01:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149348 I was willing to bet that the Astros had a season where Ryan/Richard or Ryan/Scott both reached 300K's.

Upon further review....it never happened.

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By: Anon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149341 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:45:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149341 Oh, re: 300K teammates - I forgot Pedro/Schilling.

Oops

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By: Gary W http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149335 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:40:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149335 Actually, Koufax did this six years in a row, 1961 with Stan Williams, 1962-65 with Drysdale, and 1966 with Don Sutton.

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By: Anon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149333 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:38:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149333 @Mik - re: Steve Finley - DBacks fan and I watched that game. It was 13-3 going into the 9th which is basically a lost cause. I can tell you Finley received an EXTREMELY generous call on the DP at 1B to end the inning. I thought DUnston beat the throw

As for 300k pitcher, there haven't been many teammates who struck out 300 at any point in their career much less the same season. Just eyeballing the career list (& not counting 1800's pitchers), the only 300k teammates were: Schilling/Johnson, Ryan/Richard, Ryan/Scott, Blue/Carlton (1986 Giants, you can usually stump even hardcore fans with that one). Of those, it looks like Schilling/Johnson are the only ones to do it as teammates.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149321 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:26:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149321 The 25 YO who pitched until he was 32 was Dave McNally. He had one 200 SO season in 9 years pitching 162 innings.
The 24 YO who pitched until he was 38 was Mickey Lolich. He had seven 200 SO seasons in 13 years pitching 162 innings.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14876/comment-page-1#comment-149315 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:18:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14876#comment-149315 I looked at all the 200 SO pitchers from 1967-1969.

Excluding the HOFs
First year with 200 SOs, number of years with 200 SOs
1964 2,3,3,4
1965 2,6,7
1966 2
1967 1,1,1,1,3
1968 1,1,3
1969 1,1,1
The earlier you start, the more you get.

Age when first struck out 200, ages at last year in majors
19, 29 (Gary Nolan)
21, 34 (Tom Griffin, varied as a starter, reliever, starter/reliever in his career)
22, 26, 30, 34
23, 30, 33
24, 28, 33, 38
Age 24 and under, 1/10 pitched past 34
Age 25 and older, 7/8 pitched past 34
25, 32, 37
26, 41
27, 35, 35, 36, 44
28, 38 (Bob Veale, 1st year as a starter, 3rd year in majors)
30, 40 (Mike Cuellar, 2nd year as a regular starter)

Remember that we're only looking at a 3 year period. I'm sure the first table would look different if you looked at 1964-1966. I can't say for sure about the second.

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