Comments on: Konerko is getting on a lot; Scoring, not so much http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-151383 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:55:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-151383 @67

Said it was either bizarre or I was missing something.

Just so there's no misunderstanding, no sarcasm was intended in post 67. I think that, based on the mathematical model used, it should be R+RBI not R+RBI-HR.

]]>
By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-151274 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:59:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-151274 @65
I never said he should not get a credit for a R and an RBI on a HR.

It is in this calculation of Runs per AB that I was puzzled why a single run is counted twice.

Now, that we have that out of the way. Let's talk about this further. Looking at it from a mathematical standpoint. In the Run/AB calculation a batter gets credit if he gets an RBI. Another batter gets credit if he scored a run generated by that RBI. So if there were no HR's and you added up the AB's for the players it will equal the AB's for the team, but the runs + RBI total WILL be twice the runs actually scored. So sure, give the HR hitter credit for both in the ratio with a solo HR. It's not so bizarre now.

Herb Washington: All he needed was 1 AB to be the all time leader.

]]>
By: MLS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-151015 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:38:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-151015 @65..I don't know IF this is what Charles means, but I think he's wanting to see how many Rs/RBIs outside of his own HRS he collects or contributes to. But he'd have to explain that to be sure.

]]>
By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150929 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:28:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150929 @62, Charles -- I'm always baffled by the desire to deny full credit to a guy who hits a home run. Almost every other run that is scored has 2 individual components -- Run and RBI -- and those are credited to the person who "did" each one. Why treat a home run any differently?

If someone hits an RBI triple and scores via error on the same play, would you credit him with only 1 unit of production? I don't get it.

]]>
By: MLS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150763 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:06:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150763 @61 and @63...It amazes me that there are so many ways to look at things. But I'm glad to see that there are people that keep asking the appropriate questions, rather than just taking everything at face value!

]]>
By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150596 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:13:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150596 Get a BB you have as much chance of getting a run as a single. Far, far less to get an RBI.

]]>
By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150595 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:12:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150595 @58

Either I'm missing something or this is just bizarre.

Not only should you divide by PA, after you add the RBI and R, you need to subtract the HR. For example, did he really mean to give the batter credit in this calculation for a run and an RBI on a solo HR. The calculation will favor high HR hitters and those that walk. Does he want to make it AB because he feels most of the runs for a low scorer came from extra base hits and very few from walks or singles? Why not correct for HR? Does he feel they need bonus points for being a HR hitter?

(RBI + R - HR)/PA

]]>
By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150586 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:11:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150586 @60, MLS -- Yes, I agree that PAs would be a more appropriate denominator than ABs in the "Runs Average" equation.

]]>
By: MLS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150563 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:28:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150563 Just curious...if one replaces AB with PA if there would be a difference? Reasoning would be that the walk is already discounted and gives the non-walkers a disadvantage right from the start. Curious tis all.

]]>
By: MLS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14813/comment-page-1#comment-150545 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:28:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14813#comment-150545 Thanks for the article. I'll get back at you after I absorb the meaning and see if there are other factors perhaps effecting their outcomes.

]]>