Comments on: Labor Day notes: Lee’s 6th shutout; rook’s near-perfect game http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: electronic mix music http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-150129 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:17:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-150129 electroscene@blogpost.com

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By: Slumpbot .200: Jered Weaver’s post-contract woes | LiveFlashScore http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147818 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:29:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147818 [...] the baseball-reference blog noted after his latest start: Brian Matusz had allowed at least 6 runs in 5 straight starts, the longest [...]

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147729 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:19:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147729 For Ken, it was pretty much just see the pitch, and hit it hard (actually, that was Musial's theory on hitting, wasn't it)

Must have been something in the water.
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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147709 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:48:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147709 See, now that's what I call straight-up, no-bones-about-it sarcasm. πŸ™‚

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147697 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:12:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147697 That's great!!!
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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147693 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:08:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147693 Sarcastic? That was not my intent, Andy. It was just a playful comment on posting "Lee's 6th shutout" before the last outs were recorded; hence, Mr. Smiley.

I did shamefully neglect to link to your Lee post, and for that I apologize. I've belatedly righted the wrong, FWIW.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147623 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:33:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147623 JA, thanks for linking to my original post about Lee's shutouts total. Oh wait, you didn't, and instead you went on my thread and posted yet another sarcastic comment.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147544 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 05:57:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147544 My take on having "natural" ability is more along the lines of a player having the ability to learn quickly and thereby enhance their skills. Certainly, practice and hard work play into that, but starting from an abundance innate, natural ability makes the results so much more impressive. JA's observation about Cano now hitting lefties well is, I think, a good case in point. Instead of making modest improvements in a weakness in his game, he quickly turns that weakness around and into a strength, not something most players, even the hardest workers, could achieve.

The flip side of being a "natural" is relying too much on that innate ability. One shudders to think of the kind of results Griffey, Jr. could have compiled with a little more effort on conditioning in his 30s, and looking for edges in game situations. I've heard more than a few stories about Griffey in his prime being so laid back that he wasn't even paying attention to what the pitcher was throwing, or even who was pitching (if a new pitcher had recently come into the game). For Ken, it was pretty much just see the pitch, and hit it hard (actually, that was Musial's theory on hitting, wasn't it).

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147455 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:52:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147455 despite an old pro's toolkit of pitches, just didn't seem to have one that would make Cano miss; up, down, in, out, Robby got wood on everything

This is perhaps both his blessing and curse. He can definitely fight off all kinds of tough pitches, except a lot of them he should probably be taking.

I think Cano's development vs. lefthanders dispels the "natural" notion. In his first 2 years, he was much better against RHPs, showing no power against southpaws. But since 2007, he's actually been better overall against lefties. I don't think that happens from natural ability.

Great observation.

no one considered Anderson an MVP.

He did get MVP votes in each of those seasons, and finished a strong 4th in '02. And Cano's got a clear BA/OBP/SLG advantage, while playing a tougher position in a lower run environment. If he plays as well for the next month as he has for the last (unlikely, of course), he'll certainly deserve serious consideration.

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14668/comment-page-1#comment-147444 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:33:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14668#comment-147444 Timmy P,

One of the last time I heard of a player referred to as a 'natural' was when Garret Anderson was in his heydays in LAA.
Real easy swing, lots of doubles, good homer totals, good avg., no walks.
Sounds just like Cano this year.
RobCano 2009-'11 162avg 693 638 105 202 46 28 106 42 79 .316/.362/.529
Anderson 2001-'03 162avg 697 661 -87 -201 49 30 123 30 88 .303/.330/.518
Besides the runs, everything looks pretty close. But no one considered Anderson an MVP.

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