Comments on: Every hit is a triple http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142932 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:20:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142932 @32/ OOPS, Anson was _45_ when he retired. The point is still valid.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142930 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:17:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142930 @31, @32/ Johnny Twisto -
You are correct (Sir!), I did leave out Kid Nichols, his last decent year was 35, he retired at 36. I left out Chesbro because I assumed he retired after Young, that was careless of me.

I guess the equivalent to Cy Young in longevity amongst position players would be Cap Anson, playing regularly at age 46 (yes, I know it helps a lot that he managed the team...), although the time period does not really match up.

For contemporaries of Young, I'd mention Larry Lajoie and Honus Wagner, both playing till age 42/43.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142830 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:17:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142830 Actually, Jack Chesbro (a marginal HOFer, yes) started in 1899. His last "decent" season was at age 34.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142829 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:11:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142829 Lawrence, I immediately noticed your list is missing Kid Nichols, who debuted the same season as Young (1890), and with 329 wins was 10 ahead of Young when he temporarily retired after 1901. He tried coming back after a couple years but "only" got to 361 wins, and is now unknown to the average fan.

You are of course correct about how the heavy use of those 1880s pitchers led to them burning out early (by age). I know this, but when I made my post I was thinking more about how athletes just didn't keep in shape as well (and people in general weren't as healthy) at the time. When it comes to pitchers, the heavy workloads probably are at least as responsible for the lack of quadragenerian pitchers. And maybe that makes Young even more impressive. He was worked hard. He played through the lengthened pitching distance (and subsequent offensive explosion). His career really is amazing, the more you look at it. Not the best pitcher ever, but in some ways the most impressive.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142756 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:38:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142756 HOF Rusie's last good year at 27. 246 wins in 9 seasons. 3 games in 1901 at the age of 30 made him HOF eligible. He was shelled in 2 games, but pitched an 8 inning complete game 1-1 tie in his second game back. Pitched as late as 1904 with Vincennes in Class D, but not successfully. One of the fastest pitchers in the 1890's, but arm troubles ended his career.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142621 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:59:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142621 @21/ @22 - Johnny Twisto: with the tremendous pitcher workloads of the 19th century, pitchers just didn't last that long, especially after overhand pitching was legalized. Few pitchers were successful past their early thirties, let alone at age 40. Most all the great HOF pitchers before Young were done by age 36 (last decent year listed):

HOF PITCHERS WHO STARTED THEIR CAREER BEFORE 1900:
Clarkson - 32
Cummings - 28 (more of a "pioneer")
Galvin - 35
Griffith - 36 (59 innings - token appearances till age 44 after this)
Tim Keefe - 36
McGinnity - 37 (started eight years after Young, last MLB game three years _before_ Young retired)
Radbourn - 36 (is ERA+ of 80 in 218 innings "decent"?)
Rusie - 27
Spalding - 25 (also more of a "pioneer")
Waddell - 32
Ward - 23 (became a fulltime position player at age 24)
Welch - 30 or 31
Willis - 34

Here is something also amazing about Cy Young - he said he would have kept pitching (at age 45), but retired because he thought that he was too fat to field bunts.

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By: Toserveman http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142586 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:25:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142586 Tripp Cromer also had just one hit in 1998, and it was a home run.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142382 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:19:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142382 In Andy's list of 40+-year-old pitchers who hit triples (post #3), every decade is represented except the 1970s. The oldest pitcher to triple in the 1970s was Bob Gibson, at 38 years 302 days, on 9/7/74 in a 2-1 Cardinals win over the Mets. Gibson pitched a complete game and got the win over Jon Matlack.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142347 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 02:58:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142347 The newspapers describing the game says Irwin. A newspaper article about his death says William Irwin.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14457/comment-page-1#comment-142318 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:37:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14457#comment-142318 When I saw the name Bobby Estalella on this list, my first thought was the Phillies' catching prospect of the mid-1990s whose way to a starting job with the team was blocked by the emergence of Mike Lieberthal. However, this turned out to be the earlier player with this name, who was the grandfather of the 1990s Bobby Estalella.

With a catcher (Mark Johnson) at the top of the list, I wasn't too surprised to see what I thought was another catcher 3rd on the list. In fact, since there were two position players named Mark Johnson active in major league baseball in the late 1990s and early 2000s, I thought at first that it was the other one, who was a lefthanded throwing first baseman/outfielder, rather than the catcher. There was actually a third Mark Johnson in this time period, but he was an AL pitcher who only appeared in nine big league games, all in 2000. I also knew that one of the Mark Johnsons attended Dartmouth. That was the 1B/OF Mark Johnson.

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