Comments on: Tyler Clippard may set the Holds record. (Don’t laugh.) http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Selective summary for Sunday 8/28 » Baseball-Reference Blog » Blog Archive http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-142366 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 04:19:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-142366 [...] allowed a single to load the bases -- then whiffed 3 in a row swinging? As noted by B-R sage Johnny Twisto, Robertson has been almost untouchable with the sacks full this year; his "123" line now reads 16 [...]

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By: NatsLady http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139583 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:56:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139583 Yesterday represented another problem with the Hold/Save stat. Clippard comes in with game tied and pitches a clean inning, but doesn't get a hold. Storen (closer) comes in and gives up a run, but doesn't get a blown save. Nats won in the 10th, so he doesn't lose the game either. Of course that sort of thing happens to starters all the time...

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By: DMV: It Was a Big Day for Ian Desmond | Mr. Irrelevant, a D.C. Sports Blog by the Brothers Mottram http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139582 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:55:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139582 [...] Pretty sure this means Tyler Clippard is the best RP in baseball. [BR Blog] [...]

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By: Soundbounder http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139229 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:33:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139229 Both the Save and the Hold are in serious need of reform.
A fun read though.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139185 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:55:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139185 Oh don't get me wrong, he's obviously on his way there. Just hasn't quite done enough yet.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139159 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 02:30:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139159 JT, does that mean you won't vote in my "Tyler Clippard HOF" debate? I feel like I need a 100-comment thread to keep up with the Joneses, and a HOF debate is the surest way to generate some heat. 🙂

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139104 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:38:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139104 Clippard is once-in-a-generation.

Let's not get carried away. He's had a few good seasons. This is his first dominant one. I think we could find two or three other good relievers somewhere around the majors.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139097 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:24:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139097 @62
Natslady, echoing John at @63, don't let this be the only time you jump in here. We'll broaden your perspective beyond the Beltway. 🙂

You make a lot of sense and seem like an intelligent, potentially objective, baseball observer.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139086 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:54:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139086 I see that 10 teams are not directly represented on the Top 30 Reliever WAR list:
-- Cubs, Cleveland, Colorado, Florida, Houston, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Seattle, Tampa, Texas, Toronto.

Milwaukee acquired Francisco Rodriguez and Texas got Mike Adams, but most of their work was done for their first teams.

The other 8 teams are non-contenders (or, in Cleveland's case, contenders only in a very weak division).

Having at least 1 very good reliever is obviously not sufficient to insure contention, but it may be necessary.

As an aside, if you ever wondered about the value of a starting rotation, consider the Royals: An average offense, good bullpen, but they're 24 games below .500 due to a rotation whose ERA is 29th in MLB. Their top starter, Bruce Chen, ranks 92nd in WAR among all MLB starters.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14195/comment-page-1#comment-139073 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:44:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14195#comment-139073 @55, Phil -- Funny, I was thinking that I should have made this thread a Hall of Fame debate. Those seem to generate the most response.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14231/comment-page-1#comment-139031

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