Comments on: Bloops: Mike Jacobs Tests Positive for H.G.H. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Im_A_Shark7 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-139384 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:20:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-139384 Mike Jacobs does HGH because Mike Jacobs is bad bone.

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By: JoeThunder http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138789 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 02:27:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138789 At least now he's the answer to a trivia question.

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By: Mike Felber http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138671 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:33:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138671 Stallone is 65. HGH also tends to provide a look similar to Acromeglia, the pituitary disorder, where the jaw especially grows disproportionately, as do the internal organs. That is why you see competitive bodybuilders with very low body fat, whose stomach still pushes out.

I would like to see the evidence that HGH does not work. Now some players do not benefit from enhanced muscle that the usual suspect PEDs provide, but most do. It is always possible that a certain substance has mainly a psychological effect, though naturally occurring HGH does keep folks strong & lean, & declines with age. So it stands to reason that it would work to use HGH.

Also, there is a big difference between using this or an androgen variant that gives you the level you would have had in your 20's, & how these things are normally used: in much greater amounts. The effects of steroids are real: without them you would not have competitive lifters of max. average height, very to extremely low body fat, at around 300 lbs.

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By: Paul E http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138645 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:52:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138645 @ 27 RobMer:

Our boy in Hollywood, 'vester Stallone, swears by the HGH.....he's got to be 60 years old, looks 40. But, then again, probably is on everything else in the known universe, has testicles like young early peas, and the Neolithic brow shaved down periodically at his "on-retainer" plastic surgeon....rememeber Sosa took on the lizard like appearance ? At $20,000,000 per annum (or film), WTFN ?

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138443 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:28:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138443 I think it's a shame that because Jacobs is a marginal player, this has probably ended his career. He was released today. Is any team going to sign him, knowing he then has to sit out for 50 games? I doubt it. I'm sure the "PED" hardliners are happy about that. I would hope that most people, even if against use of HGH, believe players deserve second chances. Jacobs probably won't get one, for using something which in 30 years may well be part of of a regular healthy regimen.

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By: tim http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138391 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:20:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138391 The makers of HGH can't be happy about this. This guy can't even keep a spot in the majors.

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By: Pat http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138357 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:55:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138357 I blogged about it here: http://bullpen-blog.com/2011/08/18/jacobs-suspension-start/

Like it says, I think it's just the beginning

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By: Nash Bruce http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138345 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:00:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138345 @15 LSD......er, LLD: LOL

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By: RobMer http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138338 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:37:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138338 @21, Jeff says: "That's still open for debate."
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Agreed in the sense that anything can be open for debate. People can debate if unicorns exist, but it doesn't mean they do.

Unlike steroids, which have been shown to increase performance (although probably much less than people think, and not consistently across the board for all players), all testing related to HGH has come back firmly in the camp that it does nothing for a baseball player. Of course, that leads to the question of why would a player take the substance if it does nothing. It's the same reason they take tons of legal vitamins and supplements that also do nothing, or powders and other mixtures players have tried for decades. They do it on the chance that it might do something, or they personally believe it might do something, or they're worried about being at a possible disadvantage compared to other players, so they take it. I'm sure that belief becomes even more powerful as a player watches his career begin to slip away.

If HGH helps a player heal faster, then MLB should be investigating it for legal usage. Anything that will help a player get back on the field faster should be investigated. So far the investigations have come back negative, yet we do see HGH being used by some of these doctors doing stem cell transplants. Maybe there's something there. It's inconclusive.

BTW Beyond baseball, there were some doctors promoting HGH for people over the age of 50, suggesting it helped restore lost muscle mass and made the patients younger. Recents testing on that has shown that claim to also be nonsense.

Anyway, I gotta go. I think I just saw what look like a horse with a horn on its head walk by my home.

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By: Chuck http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14164/comment-page-1#comment-138336 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:35:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=14164#comment-138336 You can argue all you want to the effects of HGH or steriods on performance, but there is no debate to the effect they had on Jacobs' bank account.

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