Comments on: Most Natural Golden Sombreros http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Wednesday Links (17 Aug 11) | Ducksnorts http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-137757 Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:07:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-137757 [...] Most Natural Golden Sombreros (Baseball-Reference). Speaking of lousy contact, this is a fascinating list occupied mostly by very good/great offensive players… and Mark Bellhorn. [...]

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By: Joe Garrison http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136328 Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:58:17 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136328 Pete Incaviglia, across the board, point zero zero zero.

That's no way to go through life...

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136249 Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:09:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136249 Hmm. We can tell who reaches on an error. But is there any statistical notation when a player reaches after a dropped third strike? Not that I know of. It's such a random event that it matters hardly at all in assessing player value. Still, I'd be interested in seeing the results, and over a career I wouldn't be surprised if a few guys stand out with more reaches than others.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136248 Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:01:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136248 I wonder if any of them had, in any of the listed games, a strikeout in which they reached on a dropped third strike, which would be a slight consolation prize. Jimmy Rollins did that tonight. In fact, he had two plate appearances in which he reached base with a hitless charged time at-bat, since he also reached on an error.

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By: thom-13 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136152 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:17:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136152 @33. That is the way I remember it and they all had to be 0-fors. I actually thought all your PAs had to be Ks, so if you went 0-6 with 5Ks you weren't in the group.

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By: Liam http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136089 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:18:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136089 did anyone mention that reggie hit a grand slam to win the game after striking out four times he didnt know weather to laugh or cry

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By: J. B. Rainsberger http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136081 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:51:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136081 As a follow up: 5 is "golden" because, you know... "5 golden rings"...

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By: J. B. Rainsberger http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136078 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:47:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136078 Ugh. As I learned it growing up:

3 SO - hat trick
4 SO - sombrero
5 SO - golden sombrero

I don't know when nor why it changed sometime in the '90s. I assume that some broadcaster got it wrong, then it stuck.

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By: geo7vest http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136055 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:08 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136055 What about platinum sombreros (5 Ks in a game)? I would love to see a list of these. I believe Pat Burrell and Andrew Jones have done it.

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By: RobMer http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13948/comment-page-1#comment-136040 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:13:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13948#comment-136040 By quick look:

HOFers (2) -- On the list, there are two HOFers (Jackson and Mantle).

Pending HOFer (1) -- Thome will be the clear third member.

"Is he a HOFer?" (1) -- Sosa, by historical voting patterns, should be the fourth, but there are other issues with him.

Possible HOFers (3) -- Dick Allen, Andruw Jones, Jim Edmonds have strong cases, but Allen's chances have passed unless some future old timer's committe inducts him. Jones and Edmonds might make it depending on how heavily voters weigh position (CF) and defense.

Unkown but Unlikely (3) -- Delgado, Dunn and Howard. I don't see any of them making it, but they can't be ruled out. Delgado's 473 career HRs and lifetime 138 OPS+ says he should be seriously considered, but his lack of dominance and the high-offense time in which he played will work against him. Dunn may seem laughable considering what he's doing now (or not doing), but he can't be ruled out if he has some sort of revival and can maintain his march toward 500. Howard already seems to be fading.

Not sure what any of this means.

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