Comments on: 100th win puts Verlander in elite company http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Verlander Wields Quartet of Weapons » Google Plus | Google | Google Plus + | One Google Nedir | http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-137561 Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:06:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-137561 [...] Verlander notched his 100th win for the Tigers on Thursday, and his 54th in his last 90 starts. Verlander is racking up victories [...]

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-136183 Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:01:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-136183 Ahh yes, if I had bothered to look at the draft I would have remembered that about Weaver. There was some talk he would go straight to the majors, if and when he ever signed. He actually spent 153 IP in the minors before his call up.

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By: Ed http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-136020 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:24:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-136020 ESPN just had an article on the 2004 draft. According to the article, Jered Weaver and Stephen Drew were considered the top two talents in the draft, but both dropped due to signability concerns (both were Boras clients). The article also briefly mentions that there were concerns about Verlander's potential contract demands as well.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/14480/verlander-weaver-and-the-2004-draft

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135922 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:03:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135922 JA/31, thanks. To be clear, I didn't mean to imply that Taylor was not to blame. I had just never heard that he was to blame. And nothing in there about a bar....so much for relying on memory.

I won't blame a guy for defending his brother, even if he sort of went on the offensive to do so. But he must wonder "what if" every day. I hope he's doing well.

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135897 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 04:22:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135897 @15 Joe Wood's pitching career ended because of arm problems. He continued in the majors with Cleveland, as an outfielder, hitting nearly 0.300 from 1918 to 1922 and playing in a 2nd WS in 1920.

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By: Mike L http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135888 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:52:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135888 JA, it was not only juicy, it was seared to perfection.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135865 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:13:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135865 Neil -- No, actually, I decided to wait and see if it got any juicier. Patience rewarded.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13956

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135855 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:11:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135855 @31
John Autin, you will be all over C.C. Sabathia's 3 HR's allowed in one inning later tonight, I assume?

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135851 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:59:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135851 JT, re: Taylor's fight not his fault -- You made me curious, since I've forgotten whatever I'd read about it at the time. FWIW, here's what's on Wikipedia, with the standard caveat:
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On December 18, 1993 the normally mild-mannered Taylor suffered a dislocated left shoulder and torn labrum while defending his brother Brenden in a fistfight. The New York Times reported that Taylor confronted a man named Ron Wilson, who had fought with in Harlowe, North Carolina. Brenden suffered head lacerations in his fight with Wilson. Once Taylor found out his brother had been hurt, he and a cousin went to Wilson's trailer home to confront him. There, Taylor got into an altercation with Jamie Morris, Wilson's friend, and Taylor fell on his shoulder.[2] According to Wilson, Taylor attempted to throw a haymaker at Morris, and missed, which caused the injury (similar to how Sonny Liston dislocated his shoulder by missing a number of hard punches in his first fight with Muhammad Ali).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brien_Taylor
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If that's a reasonably accurate description, I'd say Brien Taylor bears a lot of blame for poor judgment. If you go to the trailer home of some guy who fought with your brother, even without meaning to fight, the odds are pretty good that something physical will go down.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13916/comment-page-1#comment-135834 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:40:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13916#comment-135834 I'll offer a mild defense of Brien Taylor. He has to be considered a bust, but not in the same way that, say, Matt Bush was. He injured his shoulder in an off-season fight and was never able to throw the ball over the plate after that. Before that, he wasn't a can't-miss prospect (too many walks), but he was doing pretty well and probably would have managed a useful MLB career. That wasn't a scouting failure (unless the Yankees should have known he had a tendency to get in fights -- and I've never heard that the fight was his fault).

I also make myself feel better with the knowledge that if the Yanks didn't draft Taylor, they would have taken Mike Kelly, who did nothing. (My recollection is that they were trying to decide between the two almost until draft day.)

Of course, Manny Ramirez was playing right across the Harlem River....he got picked 13th.

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