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Teams Developing Young Winning Pitchers

Posted by Steve Lombardi on August 11, 2011

Today's list from me: Since 1901, teams with the most pitchers who won 30+ games through and including their "Age 24 season."

The results:

Rk Lg Tm #Matching  
1   Los Angeles Dodgers 22 Rex Barney / Chad Billingsley / Ralph Branca / Don Drysdale / Carl Erskine / Hal Gregg / Oscar Jones / Clayton Kershaw / Sandy Koufax / Billy Loes / Vic Lombardi / Ramon Martinez / Van Mungo / Don Newcombe / Johnny Podres / Rick Rhoden / Nap Rucker / Don Sutton / Ismael Valdez / Fernando Valenzuela / Bob Welch / Stan Williams
2   Cleveland Indians 20 Gary Bell / Dennis Eckersley / Bob Feller / Wes Ferrell / Mel Harder / Steve Hargan / Willis Hudlin / Addie Joss / George Kahler / Sam McDowell / Willie Mitchell / Earl Moore / Guy Morton / Jim Perry / CC Sabathia / Herb Score / Joe Shaute / Greg Swindell / George Uhle / Jaret Wright
3   Chicago White Sox 18 Wilson Alvarez / Jason Bere / Ted Blankenship / Mark Buehrle / Britt Burns / John Danks / Richard Dotson / Alex Fernandez / Jon Garland / Orval Grove / Bart Johnson / Tommy John / Ted Lyons / Melido Perez / Billy Pierce / Jim Scott / Steve Trout / Lefty Williams
4   Oakland Athletics 18 Chief Bender / Vida Blue / Boardwalk Brown / Bullet Joe Bush / Trevor Cahill / Andy Coakley / Jimmy Dygert / Rich Harden / Weldon Henley / Tim Hudson / Catfish Hunter / Harry Krause / Mark Mulder / Jim Nash / Blue Moon Odom / Eddie Rommel / Carl Scheib / Barry Zito
5   Detroit Tigers 17 Elden Auker / Jeremy Bonderman / Hooks Dauss / Jean Dubuc / Billy Hoeft / Art Houtteman / Mickey Lolich / Denny McLain / George Mullin / Hal Newhouser / Dan Petry / Rick Porcello / Schoolboy Rowe / Dave Rozema / Ed Summers / Justin Verlander / Jeff Weaver
6   Baltimore Orioles 16 Doyle Alexander / Steve Barber / George Baumgardner / Wally Bunker / Storm Davis / Chuck Estrada / Jack Fisher / Ned Garver / Earl Hamilton / Dennis Martinez / Dave McNally / Mike Mussina / Jim Palmer / Milt Pappas / Barney Pelty / Sidney Ponson
7   Boston Red Sox 16 Jim Bagby / Hugh Bedient / Tom Brewer / Roger Clemens / Dennis Eckersley / Dave Ferriss / Dutch Leonard / Mickey McDermott / Bill Monbouquette / Dave Morehead / Red Ruffing / Jack Russell / Babe Ruth / Bob Stanley / Chuck Stobbs / Smoky Joe Wood
8   Cincinnati Reds 16 Rube Benton / Ewell Blackwell / Johnny Cueto / Pete Donohue / Hod Eller / Sammy Ellis / Ross Grimsley / Don Gullett / Noodles Hahn / Jim Maloney / Gary Nolan / Jim O'Toole / Frank Pastore / Pete Schneider / Junior Thompson / Herm Wehmeier
9   Minnesota Twins 15 Bert Blyleven / Joe Boehling / Dave Boswell / Scott Erickson / Bert Gallia / Bump Hadley / Harry Harper / Walter Johnson / Jim Kaat / Kyle Lohse / Jim Merritt / Brad Radke / Pedro Ramos / Jim Shaw / Early Wynn
10   Chicago Cubs 14 Moe Drabowsky / Dick Ellsworth / Glen Hobbie / Ken Holtzman / Burt Hooton / Tony Kaufmann / Carl Lundgren / Greg Maddux / Vern Olsen / Mark Prior / Ed Reulbach / Lon Warneke / Kerry Wood / Carlos Zambrano
11   Philadelphia Phillies 14 Dennis Bennett / Larry Christenson / Ray Culp / Cole Hamels / Randy Lerch / Art Mahaffey / Erskine Mayer / George McQuillan / Brett Myers / Eppa Rixey / Robin Roberts / Curt Simmons / Doc White / Rick Wise
12   St. Louis Cardinals 14 Nelson Briles / Steve Carlton / Dizzy Dean / Paul Dean / Bill Doak / Bob Harmon / Larry Jaster / Dave LaPoint / Johnny Lush / Joe Magrane / Lindy McDaniel / Lee Meadows / Ray Sadecki / Bill Sherdel
13   New York Yankees 11 Al Downing / Lefty Gomez / Waite Hoyt / Phil Hughes / Hank Johnson / Steve Kline / Johnny Kucks / Andy Pettitte / Dave Righetti / Bill Stafford / Mel Stottlemyre
14   San Francisco Giants 11 Red Ames / Ron Bryant / Matt Cain / Slick Castleman / Doc Crandall / Juan Marichal / Rube Marquard / Christy Mathewson / Mike McCormick / Pol Perritt / Hal Schumacher
15   Atlanta Braves 10 Steve Avery / Tony Cloninger / Tom Glavine / Tommy Hanson / Bill James / Jair Jurrjens / Kevin Millwood / John Smoltz / George Stone / Lefty Tyler
16   Pittsburgh Pirates 10 John Candelaria / Wilbur Cooper / Larry French / Bob Friend / Claude Hendrix / Lefty Leifield / Nick Maddox / Al Mamaux / Bob Moose / John Smiley
17   Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim 8 Jim Abbott / Dean Chance / Andy Messersmith / Tom Murphy / Fred Newman / Ervin Santana / Frank Tanana / Mike Witt
18   Kansas City Royals 7 Kevin Appier / Steve Busby / Tom Gordon / Zack Greinke / Mark Gubicza / Jose Rosado / Bret Saberhagen
19   Milwaukee Brewers 7 Yovani Gallardo / Moose Haas / Jaime Navarro / Juan Nieves / Ben Sheets / Jim Slaton / Lary Sorensen
20   New York Mets 5 Sid Fernandez / Gary Gentry / Dwight Gooden / Jon Matlack / Tom Seaver
21   Florida Marlins 4 Ryan Dempster / Scott Olsen / Chris Volstad / Dontrelle Willis
22   Houston Astros 4 Larry Dierker / Mike Hampton / Roy Oswalt / Don Wilson
23   San Diego Padres 3 Andy Benes / Clay Kirby / Jake Peavy
24   Seattle Mariners 3 Dave Fleming / Felix Hernandez / Joel Pineiro
25   Washington Nationals 3 Bill Gullickson / Pedro Martinez / Scott Sanderson
26   Texas Rangers 2 Joe Coleman / Claude Osteen
27   Toronto Blue Jays 2 Kelvim Escobar / Dave Stieb
28   Colorado Rockies 1 Jason Jennings
30   Tampa Bay Rays 1 Scott Kazmir
31   Arizona Diamondbacks 0  
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Maybe Trevor Bauer and/or Archie Bradley will get the snakes on the board?

28 Responses to “Teams Developing Young Winning Pitchers”

  1. Zach Says:

    Interesting thing to search for sure, but to the extent that the list seems like a 'ranking', it's a bit misleading. Lots of those teams weren't even around in the early 1900's. Might need to normalize it as YAPPY (Young Arms Produced Per Year) by dividing the number of pitchers per team on this list by the number of years the organization has been around since 1901.

    Thanks for the fun blog!

  2. Neil L. Says:

    Nice dicussion starter, Steve.

    I have to agree with Zach, though, that is really just a ranking of age of franchise not a commentary on the organizations' ability to develop young winning arms.

    Young pitchers are kept in the minors longer today than in previous times, I suspect. No Bob Feller's or Nuxhall's today. There is too much money at stake.

    The individual pitchers in the old franchises are listed alphabetically, not chronologically, so it takes a bit of work to sort out which ones were recent.

    Without a correction factor for years of existence, the list is a curiousity only.

  3. Charles Says:

    In 1972 the only year the Mets had Gentry, Matlack, and Seaver as regular starters, all 5 starters, 3 of the 5 top relievers and all 4 of the others who pitched that year played their first ML game for the Mets. The 2 oldest players Sadecki and Taylor did not. Nolan Ryan missed your list by 1 win.

  4. Charles Says:

    @1 you're correct, the top 16 teams are the original 16 ML teams. What's interesting is 8 of the top 10 are AL teams. How would a search from 1901 to 1972 look? The DH came along in 1973. I also noticed that Florida has more than Texas.

  5. Neil L. Says:

    Tampa Bay and Arizona very close in number of pitchers, Florida and Colorado a bit different, Toronto and Seattle very close, Washington and San Diego close, even Mets and Astros close.

    Texas(Washington), one could argue, should have the same number of winning young arms as the Mets and Astros, so perhaps they have not done quite as well with their young pitchers.

  6. Mike L Says:

    What's interesting is that there isn't necessarily a great correlation with success among the original 16. Dodgers top the list, Pirates are last, but the Cardinals, Yankees and Giants, all historically successful franchises, are 12-14.

  7. Kahuna Tuna Says:

    Steve lopped off the Federal League teams from his list. Only one team, the Newark Pepper, had a pitcher who made the list, but he's someone I'd like to find out more about: righthander George Kaiserling.

    Kaiserling was a teammate of Benny Kauff with Indianapolis in 1914 and relocated with the team to Newark in 1915. He had a solid season in the minors in 1916. He certainly appeared capable of pitching successfully in the majors, but his career ended right there. The only other thing I know about George Kaiserling is that he died on March 2, 1918, in his hometown of Steubenville, Ohio, at the age of 24. What caused his death? Why didn't he pitch professionally in 1917?

  8. Charles Says:

    When the Yankees were most successful, before the draft was started in the 60s, they found it difficult to sign the best young players, because they knew they would be stuck in the minors. When were dealing with pitchers winning 30 games at a young age, we're talking about starting pitchers. The Arizona team was committed from the beginning to bring in veteran starting pitchers. Only 1 pitcher 24 and younger has started 30 games for Arizona in a single season.

    From 1901 to 1972

    Indians 16 Dodgers 15
    Athletics 13 Reds 13
    Red Sox 13 Cards 12
    Twins 12 Phillies 10
    Orioles 11 Giants 10
    Tigers 11 Cubs 9
    Yankees 8 Pirates 8
    White Sox 7 Braves 4

    The Dodgers, Cards, Giants are the top 3 NL Pennant Winners
    The Yankees, Athletics, and Red Sox are the top 3 AL Pennant Winners, but the Indains are 3rd in Win %.

  9. Chuck Says:

    Dennis Eckersley's listed twice?

  10. Charles Says:

    Yep 77 wins with 2 teams

  11. Neil L. Says:

    @9 @10
    Chuck and Charles, wow, I tend to forget about the early part of Eck's career.

  12. Doug B Says:

    at the end of their "age 24 season"...

    Gary Nolan: 76 wins
    Warren Spahn: 0 wins

    it's a long race.

  13. Kahuna Tuna Says:

    Following up on #7, The Deadball Era lists George Kaiserling's cause of death as "pulmonary tuberculosis."

  14. Neil L. Says:

    Doug B., the human arm and shoulder are delicate mechanisms.

  15. AlbaNate Says:

    #7: There are several mentions of Kaiserling in the book "The Federal League of Base Ball Clubs: The History of an Outlaw Major League" by Robert Peyton Wiggins. But unfortunately, all the mentions are in accounts of games. You don't learn much about what happened to him.

    Here is a link to the book on Google Books:

  16. Neal Says:

    Interesting fact about Gary Nolan - during his career with the Reds every year that he won at least 15 games the Reds made the World Series, and every year the Reds made the World Series he won at least 15 games. A perfect 1-to-1 correspondence - couldn't have one without the other.

  17. Charles Says:

    On Feb. 19, 1917 Toledo of the American Association sent Kaiserling to Memphis of the Southern Association. On April 23, 1917 Memphis sent him to Chattanooga in the same league. I don't know if he appeared in a game for any team that year.

  18. Steve Says:

    Surprised the Mets had only 5.

  19. Mike Felber Says:

    Also, to measure pitcher success, rather than include a large measure of their teams non-pitching strength, another stat, ERA + most obviously, would be better than wins. Also earlier age starts & more chances even more heavily favor the early days & the older franchises.

  20. Gary W Says:

    It is also that both of the Rangers' pitchers on the list, Claude Osteen and Joe Coleman, accomplished this feat in Washington. No Ranger has ever won thirty games with the team before the end of year 24.

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  22. Charles Says:

    The Angels had 13 players with 54 or more career starts with 7 with 82 or more. They had 8 30 game winners.
    The Mets had 9 players with 54 or more career starts with 5 with 82 or more. They had 5 30 game winners.
    The Astros had 8 players with 54 or more career starts with 3 with 82 over 90. They had 4 30 game winners.
    The Rangers had 7 players with 54 or more career starts with 2 over 82 or more. They had 2 30 game winners. Three were Senators, 3 were Rangers and one was both.
    17/19 pitchers with 30 or more wins had 82 or more starts. Andy Messersmith had 31 total wins (26 in 64 starts, 5 in 41 relief appearances) and Roy Oswalt had 33 wins (31 in 54 starts, 2 in 9 relief appearances.

    The Angels have the best team winning% in their history with 1 WS title and the Mets have the most Pennants/WS. The Rangers have the lowest win% and the Astros and Pangers are 0-1 in WS.

  23. Detroit Michael Says:

    The Rays have had some decent young starters lately, but not promoting them to the majors until they are plenty ripe has held them back on this leaderboard.

    Looking up their details, maybe I'm making too much of the Rays' promotion tendencies. David Price missed by one win, but he's the only guy who has been close. Can one really say that Jeremy Hellickson would have had a dozen or more wins pitching for a more typical team?

  24. Anon Says:

    DBAcks will have at least 1 in the next 5-6 years as they are LOADED in the minors with quality pitching prospects - Bauer, Skaggs, Parker, Corbin, Holmberg, Miley, Bradley & a few others.

  25. Charles Says:

    There have been 316 pitchers reach 30 wins since 1901. 18 pitched at least 1/2 their games as relievers Since 1990 the numbers are 63 and 0.

  26. Mike L Says:

    There may be two trends that work against a lot of young pitchers gaining 30 wins. The wealthier teams have the bucks to sign top tier experienced free agents and the need to win now so that it's harder to risk it with a younger pitcher. And more mid and slow market teams are being very careful with their younger stars because of arbitration eligibility-they'd rather leave them down in the farm for a longer period

  27. Charles Says:

    In the past 10 years, 31 pitchers obtained 30 wins before they turned 25. This is the highest total since 1967-1976. 50 of the 78 pitchers who have started at least 34 total games during their first two seasons, in the past 10 years, were under the age of 25. 42 pitchers retired in the past 10 years after a season in which they started at least 17 games. This opens up the number of starting positions available for rookies.

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