Comments on: Matt Lawton’s Walk-Off 2/3B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Freud http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135322 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:56:08 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135322 Cabriael is off his meds yet again.

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By: Mark T. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135241 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:22:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135241 Ah, I remember the good old days of the 1998 Twins, when Matt Lawton led the team with 21 home runs! Ugh, what a crummy team. Wow, LaTroy Hawkins was our number 2 starter! But the seeds were being planted for the eventual resurgence of the Twins.

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By: Gonzo http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135041 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:47:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135041 Official scorers do not have an affect (effect?) on the play on the field. David Ortiz's single scored 2 runs the other night. whether the official scorer gave him one RBI or two, it didnt change the course of the game.

Your argument should stay solely on the umpires.

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By: Cabriael http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135035 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:13:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135035 Horrendous mistake, ignoring obvious play, ejecting players and managers on their whim do not qualify as 'luck' in my book.

It is 'deliberate manipulation', especially since the bad calls almost always go against no-name players or weaker teams.

Football has entered the 21st century, whether some people like it or not. Baseball stll wants to stay in the previous century, but Bud Selig can't live forever.

Players hitting something or not is part of 'luck' which I can accept,

but I can't tolerate someone who is not part of the game, like umpires and scorers who shouldn't intervene, influence the game in negative ways.

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By: topper009 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135027 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 04:53:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135027 @29, baseball is entertainment so its most basic point is to be entertaining. If you care more about the box score the next day than actually watching the game you are the one acting like you're from the 19th century. Have you watched a college football game recently, they are terrible to watch with constant stopages for obvious plays and basically every scoring play. Everyone who thinks replay can be handled in like 10 seconds has no idea how the real world works. If someone is going to be held responsible for the correct call they are going to sit there and look at it 100 times to be 100% sure, and if youve ever watched a baseball game you would know there are many times when you cant tell what the right call even is.

I mean do you think there was no luck at all involved in any perfect game, no lucky lines drives hit right at someone? Like Armando Galarraga is the only guy whoever lost a perfect game due to bad luck? Please. It happens all the time. 2001 the Dbacks win the WS on a pitch that completely handcuffed Luis Gonzalez and he hit the ball about as poorly as a hitter can, yet they win the WS. The pitch did exactly what Mariano Rivera wanted and the swing was the exact opposite of what Gonzalez wanted.

Something almost all sports fans fail to understand is that you cant take luck out of sports, if you want that watch track. The luckiest team always wins, sometimes its your team and it is great, and sometimes its not. How many game winning hits have come from lazy seeing eye singles through the infield on broken bats that the batter hit with 1 hand on the bat. It happens all the time, just like bad calls. If you cant deal with the fact that luck is a huge factor in all sports then you will never be satisfied, so please learn to deal with this and take all your short sighted replay talk to football which is becoming more and more commercial filled and boring.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135018 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 04:21:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135018 @25, Neil L. -- And yet, both those rookie AL 2Bs were upstaged by another one tonight. (See recent post.)

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By: Charles http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135016 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 03:44:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135016 Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote played for both teams in a doubleheader, having been traded for each other between games by the Cubs and Cardinals on May 30, 1922. Back in 1979, between games of a doubleheader between the Mets and Cards, Jose Cardenal was traded to the Mets from the Cards but he asked not to play in the second game.

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By: Cabriael http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135015 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 03:43:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135015 "Basic Tenet" is just an apologetic from people like Joe Torre, who decided to become Bud Selig's (and the umpires') lapdog in his advanced age and ruin his reputation beyond salvation.

It is something which HDTV - and Xbox- traned younger generations won't understand or accept.

I still can't understand those who defend bad calls and records of umpires and scorers. Perhaps they don't want see 300+ more people join the ranks of unemployed; in fact these people only know how to do an outdated job, and are good for little else in the real world.

But such is progress. Those who accept progress muddle along, but people who refuse to adapt , like arrogant umpires, scorers and their hard-assed supporters, just get left behind and whine to high heaven.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135010 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 03:13:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135010 Cabriael, I'm disappointed we didn't get your take on the two recent official scoring controversy threads.

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By: Thomas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13855/comment-page-1#comment-135005 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:44:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13855#comment-135005 @23 - you don't just get the run when the ball goes over the fence, you have to actually touch the bases. Seems like that's the most basic tenet of the game...

Not related: Check out Nyjer Morgan's game logs from 2009. It took me a bit to figure it out, but he played in a game that was suspended for the nationals that goes in 'the books' as him having played for the team about two months before actually being traded to them. Also, he did the old Joel Youngblood, playing for two teams in one day routine.

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