Comments on: 5+ Batters With WAR >=4 On Same Team http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-135023 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 04:39:32 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-135023 Another slight problem in building a case for Teixeira as MVP is that he ranks 44th in the AL in Win Probability Added, with a paltry 0.614 -- less than 1/10 of Jose Bautista's total.

Teix has hit a lot of tack-on HRs this year; he's had few impact games.

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By: John Q http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134909 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:27:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134909 @41 Mike L,

Well that time period is mostly before all that local cable t.v. money starting pouring in to baseball. That's what really changed the dynamic between big market and small market teams.

It really started changing by the mid 80's but collusion delayed the gap until the early 90's. I think the Royals still had the highest payroll in baseball in 1990.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134893 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:51:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134893 @40/ I meant to add to my "Teixeira MVP?" comments:

Only the most extreme baseball tradionalists who place great weight on HR/RBI totals (2nd and 3rd) would consider him a serious MVP contender. That doesn't mean he won't get a few MVP votes down-ballot.

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By: Paul E http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134872 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:55:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134872 Somehow this batter play index could probably figure out which "stars" were surrounded by the "shittiest" cast of teammates. I've got to believe Reggie Jackson, Derek Jeter, and Pete Rose had some pretty good teammates compared to guys like Frank Thomas and Dick Allen....just sayin'

Teixeira MVP? Well, not even on his own team. Granderson is having a fairly decent season. And then, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Gonzalez, M. Cabrera, A. Cabrera, Peralta, Konerko......not too close at this point

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By: Mike L http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134828 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:03:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134828 I don't think money and free agency is the entire explanation: otherwise you would have the fiscal powerhouses (Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies), as well as the other big market teams up there all the time-and they aren't. And, with the sidetrack of collusion, free agency was in place from 1979-1999, and only two teams made the list.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134823 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:33:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134823 @15, 19, 20, 25 - How good _is_ Mark Texeira this year? Agree with #20 and #25, he's not having an MVP-type season, but it's certainly better than a typical Joe Carter-type season.

**Why is his WAR "only" 2.4?**
Let me try to break it down:
- His BA is .256, exactly league-average.
- he's 13th in Walks with 57, but that only gets his OBA up to .344, versus a league-average of .321. This is a relatively small positive value, as #10 in OBA in the AL is .376
- he's 2nd in HR with 32 (yes, very impressive), but he's only 9th in SA with .516, versus a league-average of .400. This is impressive, but not dominant.

Baserunning: Player Value in BB-r credits him as -1 in Baserunning and -1 for Reaching On Errors. Nothing gained there.
Defense: This is the one area where BB-r deviates from common perception, it gives him a "0" for Rfield, which I interpret as meaning that he is exactly average as a defensive first baseman. That's a loooong ways from "gold glove defense" mentioned in #15. I disagree a bit, I think he's one of the better defensive first baseman around (blame "small sample size"), but I have not analysized the numbers.

To summarize, BB-r sees him as a power-hitting average-fielding first baseman, whom most of his value {this year} comes from his home runs, a little from the walks. He's a very good, useful player this year, but a ways from serious MVP consideration.

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By: Dave http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134783 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:27:21 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134783 Wow, I expected to see the 75/76 Reds but they aren't there...only an earlier version of the Big Red Machine shows up.

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By: John Q http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134738 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:55:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134738 I actually really like that era of baseball because teams played with several different styles of plays. There was a lot of parity in the league and almost any team could win. You had a bunch of small market teams go to the WS. It's the last time the Pirates, Royals, Blue Jays, Reds, Orioles, Twins, Tigers won the WS. You had a few big market teams win the WS, Yankees, Mets and Dodgers.

Some teams bashed HR like the '82 Brewers and some teams had good gloves and speed like the '82 Cardinals.

You had players hit 50 HR or steal over 100 bases and you had a guy hit .390.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134737 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:53:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134737 @35.

"The thing that drastically changed post '77 was the money & player salaries in baseball."

You've got the timing bang on, John Q.

It's hard to appreciate now how big a deal it was when Steinbrenner signed Reggie to that 5-year $3.75M deal ($750K per) after the '76 season. It was talked about and talked about endlessly. For months.

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By: John Q http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13818/comment-page-1#comment-134734 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:34:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13818#comment-134734 @26 Neil,

I basically meant that a small market team like the Pirates could win 3 consecutive division titles during that time period because there was much more parity in team revenues and payrolls. And on top of that, that was still in a time period when the Cardinals and the Cubs were in the NL East with the Phillies and the Mets.

As far as the Blue Jays, they won the AL East 5 times over a 9 year span, and 4 times over a 5 year span. That would be virtually impossible in today's baseball because of the disparity in team revenues between Toronto and Red Sox and the Yankees.

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