Comments on: 2+ XBH Allowed In Same Game By Mariano Rivera http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134697 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:30:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134697 Way after the fact, but Mariano threw one too many cutters to Abreu tonight, even if the Yankees bail him out for the win in the bottom of the ninth!

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By: WilliaminMaine http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134561 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:26:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134561 Trevor Hoffman had 39 multiple XBH games in 1,035 appearances. Jonathan Papelbon has 15 in 381 appearances. Both impressive, but not Mo-like.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134436 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 04:13:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134436 There have definitely been some guys drafted as closers in recent seasons, often with the hopes of getting them to the majors in that role quickly. Chad Cordero. Huston Street. Craig Hansen (oops).

I think not long ago most relievers were still failed starters, but there is a greater emphasis now on actually developing guys as relievers. Whether they will pan out as well is a good question.

It would be interesting to look at how top relievers of today and recent years got to where they are. I can't do it right now but I will try to come back to this.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134425 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:39:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134425 @31
JT, oh!

So do you know of any pitchers that were viewed as closers from their draft day? What's behind my question is is a good closer, like Rivera, "developed", "discoverd" or "naturally evolved"?

Is starting still viewed as preferable to closing?

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134424 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:15:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134424 Neil, Feliz was developed as a SP, and was almost moved back there just this spring.

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By: Thom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134419 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 02:56:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134419 I would be curious to see how Mariano compares against the top 50 or 100 most games played (possibly with a GS cut to remove Walter Johnson, Nolan Ryan, etc.) on a % with 0-1 XBH in a game.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134403 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 00:54:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134403 Is it accurate to characterize Mariano Rivera as another "failed" starter turned closer?

Are the last few years the first time in baseball history where young pitchers are developed and groomed specifically as career closers, other than Joe Nathan previously? I'm thinking of Neftali Feliz, Jordan Walden, Drew Storen, and Craig Kimbrel.

It will be interesting to observe how this crop of young guns stand the test of time, as closers, without ever having cutting their major-league teeth starting or middle-relieving.

Closers with more than a few years of effectiveness are very rare.

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By: jim http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134386 Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:00:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134386 this isn't related, but bob gibson's player page is not reflecting that his 0.85 WHIP led the league in 1968

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By: Timmy p http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134384 Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:50:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134384 I wonder if Kosuke Fukudome and Shin-Soo Choo are getting along?

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By: Timmy p http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13792/comment-page-1#comment-134383 Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:44:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13792#comment-134383 Rivera is playing good ball right now, you know who else is playing good ball, Juan Pierre, Mike Young, and Carlos Zambrano. Those 3 guys are playing real well, and also Paul Konerko is 9 HR away from 400, Paully is my hero.

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